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[[commons:Commons:Licensing#GNU Free Documentation License|In 2018, Wikimedia Commons decided to no longer accept new content licensed under the GFDL]]. Currently, content on the Geohashing Wiki is licensed under the GFDL. In order to allow for media from this wiki to be transferred to Commons in the future, I'd like to propose to license new content here under CC BY-SA 4.0. If you are not familiar with the license, you can [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ read about it here]. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Fippe|Fippe]] ([[User talk:Fippe|talk]]) 13:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 
[[commons:Commons:Licensing#GNU Free Documentation License|In 2018, Wikimedia Commons decided to no longer accept new content licensed under the GFDL]]. Currently, content on the Geohashing Wiki is licensed under the GFDL. In order to allow for media from this wiki to be transferred to Commons in the future, I'd like to propose to license new content here under CC BY-SA 4.0. If you are not familiar with the license, you can [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ read about it here]. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Fippe|Fippe]] ([[User talk:Fippe|talk]]) 13:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  
:If I understood correctly, the ''main'' difference between these two licenses is that if the content is shared, it had to be accompanied by the full text of the license, but with CC it does not, right? Other things like being able to adapt, sharing-alike and attribution remain the same, don't they? If that's the case, '''I agree''' with this change. It seems convenient. --[[User:SastRe.O|SastRe.O]] ([[User talk:SastRe.O|talk]]) 16:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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: If I understood correctly, the ''main'' difference between these two licenses is that if the content is shared, it had to be accompanied by the full text of the license, but with CC it does not, right? Other things like being able to adapt, sharing-alike and attribution remain the same, don't they? If that's the case, '''I agree''' with this change. It seems convenient. --[[User:SastRe.O|SastRe.O]] ([[User talk:SastRe.O|talk]]) 16:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  
::Yes, I think that is the main difference. You are right, CC-BY-SA-licensed work may be adapted and needs to be attributed and shared alike. --[[User:Fippe|Fippe]] ([[User talk:Fippe|talk]]) 21:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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:: Yes, I think that is the main difference. You are right, CC-BY-SA-licensed work may be adapted and needs to be attributed and shared alike. --[[User:Fippe|Fippe]] ([[User talk:Fippe|talk]]) 21:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
  
:I don't know much about license migration, but I'd support this. [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 07:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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: I don't know much about license migration, but I'd support this. [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 07:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
:I support this suggestion too. --[[User:Benoît Prieur|Benoît]] ([[User talk:Benoît Prieur|talk]]) 12:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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:As a long time supporter of open data and Creative Commons, I have to say...I don't understand this. What's the rationale for having content here be open-licensed anyway? What are the use cases for reusing people's geohashing stories or photos in other contexts? [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage|talk]]) 06:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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: I support this suggestion too. --[[User:Benoît Prieur|Benoît]] ([[User talk:Benoît Prieur|talk]]) 12:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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: As a long time supporter of open data and Creative Commons, I have to say...I don't understand this. What's the rationale for having content here be open-licensed anyway? What are the use cases for reusing people's geohashing stories or photos in other contexts? [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage|talk]]) 06:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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:: Well, one answer -- or non-answer depending on how you look at it -- is that this wiki is already licensed freely (and copyleft to boot), it's just that the proposed CC license is better known and more easily integrable than the GFDL these days. As to why the wiki was initially licensed freely, well...perhaps it was the style at the time? Or perhaps Randall ''et alia'' wanted to be able to pull in content from Wikipedia directly (which had not yet made a license migration of it's own) with minimal fuss. In any case, there's no moving the existing content to a more or less restrictive license since it's irrevocable, and even if it were revocable that responsibility would lie on the shoulders of those various and sundry wikigoers who originally contributed it, most now lost to the winds. However, as discussed above, equivalent licenses are a different matter. You asked about reuse; it so happens that I've reused content from this wiki to illustrate [[w:en:phonebooth stuffing]] and [[w:commons:category:Kharkiv TEC-5]]. Others may have their own intentions for reuse. This is a natural consequence of the free license and of people interacting with the world beyond themselves. Hashers' destinations may only matter to us weirdoes in the sport but the journeys and those things sighted on them can be pretty interesting generally. Should people be obligated to release their geohashing-related media under such permissive licenses just to hash? Well, aside from resorting to [[Ninja Geohasher]]dom or posting text here but media elsewhere, an option might be to have each page require a separate statement of license with full-copyright assumed, which would make things more flexible in that regard but much more complicated in others, and again it would only apply to content after such a change. [[User:Arlo|Arlo]] ([[User talk:Arlo|talk]]) 08:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

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Proposal to switch to CC BY-SA

In 2018, Wikimedia Commons decided to no longer accept new content licensed under the GFDL. Currently, content on the Geohashing Wiki is licensed under the GFDL. In order to allow for media from this wiki to be transferred to Commons in the future, I'd like to propose to license new content here under CC BY-SA 4.0. If you are not familiar with the license, you can read about it here. What are your thoughts? --Fippe (talk) 13:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

If I understood correctly, the main difference between these two licenses is that if the content is shared, it had to be accompanied by the full text of the license, but with CC it does not, right? Other things like being able to adapt, sharing-alike and attribution remain the same, don't they? If that's the case, I agree with this change. It seems convenient. --SastRe.O (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I think that is the main difference. You are right, CC-BY-SA-licensed work may be adapted and needs to be attributed and shared alike. --Fippe (talk) 21:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't know much about license migration, but I'd support this. Arlo (talk) 07:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I support this suggestion too. --Benoît (talk) 12:45, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
As a long time supporter of open data and Creative Commons, I have to say...I don't understand this. What's the rationale for having content here be open-licensed anyway? What are the use cases for reusing people's geohashing stories or photos in other contexts? Stevage (talk) 06:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, one answer -- or non-answer depending on how you look at it -- is that this wiki is already licensed freely (and copyleft to boot), it's just that the proposed CC license is better known and more easily integrable than the GFDL these days. As to why the wiki was initially licensed freely, well...perhaps it was the style at the time? Or perhaps Randall et alia wanted to be able to pull in content from Wikipedia directly (which had not yet made a license migration of it's own) with minimal fuss. In any case, there's no moving the existing content to a more or less restrictive license since it's irrevocable, and even if it were revocable that responsibility would lie on the shoulders of those various and sundry wikigoers who originally contributed it, most now lost to the winds. However, as discussed above, equivalent licenses are a different matter. You asked about reuse; it so happens that I've reused content from this wiki to illustrate w:en:phonebooth stuffing and w:commons:category:Kharkiv TEC-5. Others may have their own intentions for reuse. This is a natural consequence of the free license and of people interacting with the world beyond themselves. Hashers' destinations may only matter to us weirdoes in the sport but the journeys and those things sighted on them can be pretty interesting generally. Should people be obligated to release their geohashing-related media under such permissive licenses just to hash? Well, aside from resorting to Ninja Geohasherdom or posting text here but media elsewhere, an option might be to have each page require a separate statement of license with full-copyright assumed, which would make things more flexible in that regard but much more complicated in others, and again it would only apply to content after such a change. Arlo (talk) 08:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)