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A logistical tour de force. Truly outstanding. And the video is well worth all the effort that was so obviously put into it. --[[User:Starbird|starbird]] 10:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Great video!  And Tomcat even smiles!  We're still waiting for our piece of (cheese?) cake, Danatar.  Is there a problem with the mail? Thanks for sharing the adventure :-) -- [[User:Ncbears|NCBears]] 13:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Great job!  And that cake looks really delicious.  Again, you have set a higher standard...this time on hash snacks! -- [[User:Ncbears|NCBears]] 14:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool!  Both /Th?omcat/ were there, now we'll never been able to tell them apart :-) -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 16:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Short greying hair, goatee, and these pictures, the one without an H hadn't shaved recently. Usually that is me also, but I am here on business :)  --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 18:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Redefinition of Migration? ==

Hey guys, collecting people from all over the country to hash? I'd vote for a redefinition of the migration geohash for this kind of expedition. -- [[User:UnwiseOwl|UnwiseOwl]] 00:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:There's also the XKCD-100. And I still like to hope for the realization of a migration hash. :) -- [[User:relet|relet]] 16:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::There's a handful of Public Transit achievements to give out, too, since it looks like most of them took the train -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]]
:::Aye, we all did, plus perhaps there should be a badge for helping with Open Street Map? No additions to the Games page, though :( --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 18:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

::::Are trains public transit in Germany?  I'm pretty sure all of ours are private enterprise. How would you define the migration hash then?  Who gets the award?  Is it "For attending a geohash with people from a minimum of five different graticules"? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 00:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Of course trains are public transport, what else should they be? They also are in your country. The "public" in "public transport" actually doesn't refer to ownership but to usage. But apart from that, trains are the backbone of public transport in most european countries, and the ones we took were local trains connecting rural villages with the rest of the world. Because a train is more convenient and faster than a bus would be. About the achievement - the old one is pretty useless as there is hardly a chance to get that unless a preexisting group (i.e. one that would also exist without geohashing) would decide to go on a whole. But we probably should move that discussion to [[Talk:Migration_Geohash]]? --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 00:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I see where Robyn is going - Amtrak is private, and so this is similar to flying United. In the eastern part of the US, however, there are many commuter trains which certainly qualify as public transport. Finally, one more point in favor of these trains - the "Happy Weekend" ticket we used is good on trains AND busses here. It really is quite nice! --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 05:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Besides that the "fact" that Amtrak is private is plain wrong (it's state owned and state funded), it's absolutely meaningless in this context. May I cite wikipedia? ''Public transport (or public transportation, public transit or mass transit) comprises passenger transportation services which are '''available for use by the general public''', as opposed to modes for private use such as automobiles or vehicles for hire.''. Ownership, organizing, funding or mode of transportation doesn't define public transport, but being open for everyones use. Thus, the fact that in Europe trains provide many of the services which would be done by buses or the necessity neglected in your countries is worth to know but meaningless. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 09:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Almost all public transport is private in .de, and almost everywhere else. -- [[User:relet|relet]] 10:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

== Games ==

Proposed addition to [[Games We Play]] -- [http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2655 Hive] if only two of us, '''Zoka: The Battle of the Baristas''' if 3 or more. ''Yes, the Seattle guy brought a coffee game...''; Munchkin; 

:You don't need to propose it. If you played it at a geohash and have a photo, add the photo to [[Games We Play]] with a link back to the expedition. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 06:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::I know that - just listing what games crossed the puddle with me! --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 06:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Heh, didn't look at who wrote it. Mistook you for someone shy. :-P -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 06:36, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Schedule ==
OK, here's the plan:

* Tomcat and Hans drive, by car, to Riegling and pick up dawidi there at 6:15.
* They drive to Nürnberg, get on the train there at 8:04 (Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket, which dawidi will buy)
* In Würzburg, they meet Danatar and ekorren on the train (Gleis 11a/b) that leaves for Erfurt at 10:01.
* In Erfurt, they meet Thomcat (and his own ticket) on the train (Gleis 4) that leaves for Niederspier at 13:04.
* These 6 arrive at the Niederspier stop (remembering to request the stop!) at 13:50
* We walk to the hashpoint and expect to be joined by relet and friend(s) somewhere along the way.
* Hashpoint activities around 14:30
* We walk on to Wasserthaleben, disrupting the quiet sunday village life in Otterstedt on the way there.
* We get on the train back to Erfurt which leaves at 16:10 from Wasserthaleben.
* The hashers split up in inverse order at Erfurt and Würzburg.

== Planning ==

What time? 
:I would suggest 2pm, as some of the southerners will have to return by 4pm. -- [[User:relet|relet]] 22:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

::More detailed suggestion: The southeners will arrive at Niederspier at 13:50 and then walk to the hash, arriving there probably around 14:20. I would suggest to stay at the point not longer than 15:00 and then comfortably move on as a group either through Otterstedt to Wasserthaleben or back to Niederspier. The alternative would be to stay as long as possible and then hectily run to some station, possibly missing the train if anything goes the slightest bit slower (as it usually does in a group).
Bonus: None of those three villages is decently mapped on OSM. We could change that ;-) --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 13:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Assuming [[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] and his German phrase book can figure out the trains, he can be there. Should we meet up at the Niederspier train stop/station just NW of the spot?

:My train route. Hildesheim south to Holle and Seesen, then south and east through Osterode Am Herz and Herzburg Am Herz and Nordhausen. Looks like I change to a different train or tram running south to Sondershausen, then south towards Hohenebra and eventually Niederspier. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 21:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

::I have serious doubts about the route you are describing here. The railway line from Holle (Derneburg) to Seesen has been abandoned about 20 years ago. It's actually possible to cross both of these places but only when going via Salzgitter. Did you get an actual timetable already, and also pricing information? [http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en? Online timetable information in english is available here]. For further information you may always ask me, I'm quite an expert on german public transport and tariffs.
::There are no trams involved, but some trains are operated by other companies and thus have other names. However, they all count as local trains, and usually accept the standard tickets, so this is non-relevant for you. Only IC/EC/ICE and a number of international or overnight long distance trains are more expensive. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 02:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I could arrive at Niederspier at 13:50, leaving again at 16:05. I will only consider the trip if I can share the ticket (it's valid for 5 people anyway) --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 02:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you for the link; I was unable to find one in English previously. I figured the route by looking for train tracks on Google Maps :)  As to sharing tickets, I will gladly join with anyone, if you are going via Hildesheim. If not, I assume I am to purchase the [http://www.bahn.de/international/view/en/prices/germany/swt.shtml "Happy Weekend"] ticket for 37 Euros? --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 04:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That will probably be the best choice. There may be other variants to save an Euro or two, but the "Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket" provides the flexible solution. It's a daypass for almost all local trains within of Germany, along with many buses, trams, subways and even a number of ferries. (for sake of completeness: HSB trains are not included). So, using that ticket, you are fully flexible to go whichever strange detour has the best timetable (you know, with public transport the shortest way isn't always the fastest), or take some visit before or afterwards if there is some time left (there are a number of famous touristical places in that area). It's valid for five people, but even for you alone, it's the sensible solution. Mind that the price of 37 EUR is only valid if bought from an ticket vending machine or from a bus driver where available. If bought at the ticket office, a supplement of 2 EUR applies. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 10:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I won't be able to come, unfortunately. I stand in awe at dawidi who gets up at 6am to reach this hash, but travelling two times for six hours is too much for me (no car). I wish you all a great trip and have fun at the meetup! -- [[User:relet|relet]] 23:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)  
:Aww, boo :(  Btw, *all* of us had to get up at more like 4:00 to make it... --[[User:Dawidi|dawidi]] 03:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::Except for me, I got up half an hour ago. What a refreshing night! ;-) - Danatar 09:00 local time

'''A note to all train travellers to Niederspier:''' Niederspier is a ''stop on request''. That means: Like in a bus you have to press a button in time before the train approaches the station, because otherwise it may just run through it without stopping. But unlike in a bus, shouting ''Eep, I wanted to get off here!'' at the moment you notice it's too late won't help you here. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 10:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Timetables ==

Ok, for the fraction coming from the south, here's the main plan:

 The way there:
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Bahnhof                 |   An   |   Ab   | Zug Nr.  | Bemerkungen    |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Riegling, Regensburg    |        |  06:15 | (car)    |                |  dawidi joins
 | Nürnberg Hbf            |        |  08:04 | RE 34604 |FB              |
 | Würzburg Hbf            |  09:19 |  10:01 | RE 34683 |                |  ekorren and Danatar join
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  12:21 |  13:04 | RB 16446 |FB BH EH 3T     |  thomcat joins
 | Niederspier             |  13:50 |        |          |                |  stop on request!
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 
 The way back:
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Bahnhof                 |   An   |   Ab   | Zug Nr.  | Bemerkungen    |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Wasserthaleben          |        |  16:10 | RB 16449 |FB EH 3T        |
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  16:52 |  17:32 | RE  3365 |                |  thomcat splits off
 | Würzburg Hbf            |  19:58 |  20:40 | RE 34631 |FB              |  ekorren and Danatar split off
 | Nürnberg Hbf            |  21:55 |        |          |                |
 | Riegling, Regensburg    |  23:30 |        | (car)    |                |  dawidi splits off
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+

dawidi will bring the Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket for all of us (except Thomcat).

Trains for Thomcat:
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Hildesheim Hbf          |        |  09:37 | ERB81210 |FB              |
 | Elze(Han)               |  09:53 |  10:01 | ME 80835 |FB SN MM        |
 | Göttingen               |  10:52 |  11:07 | RE  3659 |FB              |
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  12:47 |  13:04 | RB 16446 |FB BH EH 3T     |
 | Niederspier             |  13:50 |        |          |                |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Wasserthaleben          |        |  16:10 | RB 16449 |FB EH 3T        |
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  16:52 |  17:10 | RE  3670 |FB              |
 | Göttingen               |  18:52 |  19:07 | ME 80852 |FB SN MM        |
 | Nordstemmen             |  20:02 |  20:09 | ERB81231 |FB              |
 | Hildesheim Hbf          |  20:20 |        |          |                |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+

Trains for ekorren:
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Tübingen Hbf            |        |  05:36 | RE 22004 |FB              |
 | Stuttgart Hbf           |  06:38 |  07:05 | RE  4938 |FB              |
 | Würzburg Hbf            |  09:22 |  10:01 | RE 34683 |                |
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  12:21 |  13:04 | RB 16446 |FB BH EH 3T     |
 | Niederspier             |  13:50 |        |          |                |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
 | Wasserthaleben          |        |  16:10 | RB 16449 |FB EH 3T        |
 | Erfurt Hbf              |  16:52 |  17:32 | RE  3365 |                |
 | Würzburg Hbf            |  19:58 |  20:37 | RE  4953 |FB TM           |
 | Stuttgart Hbf           |  22:53 |  23:22 | RE 22063 |FB              |
 | Tübingen Hbf            |  00:23 |        |          |                |
 +-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+