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Why is this on a page by itself with no expedition or user?  You don't need to pre-create a gratuitous ribbon, just put it straight on the pages you want it on. It doesn't need a page, because it doesn't have requirements. Is this intended as a proposal for a new achievement? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 16:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I didn't mean it to be gratuitous, it's just that no one has done it/claimed it yet.  I'll change the template to use <code>template:ribbon</code>, instead of <code>template:gratuitous ribbon</code>. -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 18:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

::As it's a proposal for a new achievement, it should stay in the proposed achievements category and not get its own until it's been discussed at least a little bit. I think a swimming to the geohash achievement is a good idea, but it's not a complete achievement yet. For example, I think swimming with a life jacket on is weird, but being accompanied by someone in a spotter boat would be a good idea in many places.  Swimming in a wetsuit is necessary to not die of hypothermia in cold climates, and should be allowed in warm ones, even though that also lends flotation.

Can I claim it for my [[Walking on water geohash achievement|WOW]] expeditions? (I think I can, but I don't think I should be able to.) --[[User:Starbird|starbird]] 02:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Relet, why did you "undo" my comment? I said, as the history shows: Yeah, you'd better specify the physical state of the water! And is wading acceptable? For that matter, everyone who gets this will almost certainly also get the [[Underwater Geohash|underwater geohash]], so do we need this as well as that one and the WoW? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 04:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The water geohash achievement already has a mode of transportation parameter. I don't think that not using a boat justifies a non-gratuitous achievement. Especially not if the achievement allows using a boat and swimming the last ten meters to the hash. -- [[User:relet|relet]] 08:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

:Ok, 10m is pretty short.  100m?  How about, if you take a boat to the geohash, you have to swim to shore, or swim out to a boat that's at the hash already.  If it's less than 100m from land, you're not allowed a boat at all. -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 13:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::But boats are for sissies. The requirements are contradicting the spirit of the achievement. If you can't swim 1 km to a hashpoint, don't take the ribbon. I think it's a neat idea, but doesn't deserve its own achievement (yet). Nobody's ever even claimed an underwater geohash, and that achievement is easier to get. --[[User:Ilpadre|ilpadre]] 14:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Also, if you can swim, you should also be able to dive for a few metres and make it an underwater geohash. So the underwater hash covers that pretty well, if someone seriously thinks the water hash isn't enough for him or her. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 21:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)