Talk:EcoFriendly achievement

This is a proposal made on 2024-10-25. Please leave comments and suggestions below, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

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Needs work - The current definition actually seems reasonably clear to me. I like having cumulative rewards for public transit, bicycling, and walking. Not as interested in counting electric cars, but not opposed; a practical consideration is that those expeditions (such as most of mine in 38 -122) don't have existing categorization/proof. Personally I'd probably draw the public/private line around whether the vehicle would have taken the same trip without you, i.e. your incremental emissions.

Really my least favorite part is the name: too broad since various other activities like geotrashing can also be considered "eco friendly". Perhaps this could be a "Low emission achievement" that makes you either a "Low emission beginner/etc" or synonyms for "emission reducer"? Coyotebush (talk) 19:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Comments taken from Discord

• It took a while of reading to work out that it doesn't require consecutive expeditions to all be "eco-friendly" --Stevage (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• "harmful exhausts such as CO2" should be simplified to just CO2, unless you have some particular other harmful exhaust gas in mind. --Stevage (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• "A journey in a car would not add to your total eco-friendly geohashes, even if it was with a friend, but a journey in a bus or train would, as these are publicly available." - I think the actual distinction you mean to make is between regularly scheduled public transport (ie, it was running anyway) vs on-demand. Taxis are "publicly available", for instance. --Stevage (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• "A fully electric motor would not disqualify you for this achievement, but a hybrid motor may." What does "may" mean? It should be definitive. --Stevage (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I tend to use “may” in achievement wording because there are usually cases where it doesn’t outright prevent you from getting it, that word choice was intentional. A hybrid motor on a bus, for example, would not disqualify you. If there are cases where it would be okay, and the achievement lists it as definitely not okay, it adds exclusion criteria of no hybrid motors, where otherwise I think it would fit the achievement --KerrMcF (talk) 09:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• Fwiw, I think people's categorisation of bikes/walking/public transport as "eco-friendly" is a bit naive, and the reality is a bit more complex. All of that doesn't really matter for the purpose of the achievement, although perhaps the name "eco-friendly" could be improved. --Stevage (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I am aware that other activities release CO2, but adding in “you also cannot do xyz on the day of the expedition” feels a bit much --KerrMcF (talk) 09:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd love to know the actual figures, but I doubt the energy cost of farming/manufacturing/transporting 1 additional sandwich from the fields to my plate are remotely close to the energy used moving a 2-ton vehicle 20-50 miles. Seems like the worst-case sandwich has a carbon footprint equivalent to driving about 5 miles in a gasoline car. I will admit that's higher than I thought! --Dan200 10:46, 25 October 2024 (UTC)