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== Geohashing in 2009 ==
 
== Geohashing in 2009 ==
  
It looks like the [[Most active graticules|Most Active Graticule]] for January is within reach. Let's go for it. Also, we need to get meeting each other and have Atlanta's first official Saturday meetup. Let's hope the coordinates for 2009-01-31 are good. [[User:Woodveil|Woodveil]] 20:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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December:  starting out as a slow month, I think Portland may snipe us!  --[[User:LuxMundi|LuxMundi]] 14:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
: I saw Thomcat's announcement that Atlanta is possibly going to be the Most Active Graticule this month, so I had a look at your graticule page to see how you are doing. I must say that it is a little difficult to read. Could somebody from this graticule (I prefer not to mess with somebody else's graticule pages too much) clean it up so that for each of the given dates/entries it is at least possible to see if an expedition actually took place and whether it was successful? And link to the expedition pages, because some of them exist but aren't linked to. - [[User:Danatar|Danatar]] 21:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
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: Ahhh.... Never --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 15:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
:: I'll get on that, try to set up something like [[Seattle, Washington|Seattle]]'s got. [[User:Woodveil|Woodveil]] 03:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
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:: You were right!  Should never have doubted!!!--[[User:LuxMundi|LuxMundi]] 17:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
  
:::Congratulations for February. I hope that was worth waiting for the official pronouncement!
 
  
== Visiting other grats ==
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January: Also started out as a slow month but in the end we ended up snatching the pebble out of the hand of [[ Melbourne, Australia]] for [[:Most_active_graticules#Expeditions|Most Expeditions]]. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 01:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Atlanta's coordinates fall between 33 and 34, and -83 and -84. It doesn't divide neatly. Shall we plug all four locations and meet wherever's closest to actual Atlanta?
 
:I'd say no. The vast majority of Atlanta falls in the 33,-84 grid. But then again, I'm an hour south of ATL. ^_^
 
:I'd also say no as this might unfairly rob those other graticules of their geohashing populations...  if you aren't part of the Atlanta graticule you can chose to come to the atlanta graticule, go to whatever graticule is closest to you, or make a new geohashing algorithm that is hashed and centered around cities such as Atlanta - I prefer you do the third choice so I don't have to.  Though if you'd like to work on it together and make a new site based around it, perhaps we could meet up some Saturday!
 
:Maybe use common sense, and go to the nearest set of co-ords to one's residence. For instance, I'm in Marietta, so anything at the top of my grid is out of reach, but perfectly within reach by hopping into the main grid that atlanta is in, and vice versa.
 
:I'm not in the graticule but I'd strongly discourage a graticule this hashable from using an alternate algorithm. It could cause me to miss meeting you. Alternate algorithms are for people on remote islands, or in hostile political environments like Israels. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 02:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== May 12 Meetup ==
 
 
 
How was this?  Did someone end up going?
 
 
 
== May 23 Meetup ==
 
 
 
What great luck, to get a place right off I-85, and with what looks like a parking lot, no less! I've been looking at the satellite and I think we're meeting at a gym; my husband thinks it's a middle school. What do you think it is?
 
 
 
I was thinking it might be a YMCA so i checked.. and I think this is [http://www.ymcaatlanta.org/Branches/SFY-Summit_YMCA/default.asp it]  I won't be going today though...
 
 
 
sunsnail - Are we meeting in that open dirt field, or are we meeting off the road?
 
There is a meeting everyday.  If you are going Friday you are meeting in the parking lot.  If you are going Saturday you are meeting in the open field.
 
 
 
== June 20 Meetup ==
 
 
 
I might try to get there. The only problem that I see is that it is a pond on someone's back yard. When I living in Ylorida the retention pond we lived on was fair game to walk around. But these back yards are much closer to the pond. Also they are probably country club people so they might be a bit uppity about people walking in their backyard. But you could probably wade to the spot in the pond and get a [[Water Geohash | Water Geohash]] achievement. Does anyone else plan on going? I probably will if it is just more than me (1 body is easy to get rid of, 2 is much more difficult).
 
 
 
== July? ==
 
 
 
I haven't been by recently, are there still meetings going on?
 
:Yep, every day. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 15:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Alternate Algorithm Proposal ==
 
 
 
I am new around here, so forgive me for sounding pushy...  MARTA reaches over 10% of our graticule, which SHOULD mean that I (a bike+MARTA bound person) can make it to a hash every couple of weeks.  In the past 30 days there have been *ZERO* hashes within MARTA coverage, thanks to bad random numbers, and only three if we consider MARTA+GRTA+CCT+GCT.  My proposal actually applies to hashing in general, but I would love to get it started in Atlanta.  The idea, specifically, is to split the grat(s) into quadrants and wrap all the hash locations into each quadrant.  This will make for four times as many locations.  Naysayers may respond "but that will cut attendance by 75%!", which I say is hogwash.  Something like 90% of our hashes have zero attendance.  Cutting those by 75% doesn't hurt at all.  On the flip side, there would be MORE points near the city, which I think would increase attendance greatly.  The only actual loss would be the very rare occasion where someone from the city is currently travelling out to a hash in the south/west quadrants, which according to the data on our wiki page is almost never.  I am going to start proposing alternate locations on [http://irc.peeron.com/xkcd/map/map.html?lat=33&long=-85&zoom=10&abs=1 Zigdon's Map] when the quadrant system produces a point that I can reach. Your opinions are welcome and appreciated.  [[User:Sparr|Sparr]] 19:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 
:First example, considering only the most city-centric result, today's hash would be moved .5 degrees north, to a point inside Greenwood Cemetery, just southwest of downtown.  [[User:Sparr|Sparr]] 19:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 
::I know I'm responding to something old by someone who isn't there anymore, but whaa?  WHY would one of the most accessible graticules in the world need an alternate algorithm.  If Vancouverites can hike up mountains and kayak for hours into the sea, I think Atlanteans can walk a couple of hours past the end of the MARTA line. If the hash is on an actual road and in your graticule and you have a bicycle, you can go there without transit. Israel is currently getting by without an alternate algorithm. So can Atlanta. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks for your input Robyn. I hope one day to meet you at a hash point. Please ignore the past blogging about an alternate algorithm. Team [[User:Woodveil|Woodveil]] and [[User:NWoodruff|I]] enjoy traveling out to the Geohash points. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 12:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 
  
 
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The picture was taken during a rare tornado moving through downtown Atlanta March of 2008 -- [[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]]
 
The picture was taken during a rare tornado moving through downtown Atlanta March of 2008 -- [[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]]
  
== Most Coordinates reached ==
 
 
Ever since January, we here in Atlanta have been gunning for Seattle, Washington to be moved into second place. As of April 09, 2009.... Atlanta is now NUMBER 1 in most Coordinates reached.
 
 
as of 2009-05-11
 
  
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| 52 13
 
| 22
 
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| 5
 
| 0
 
| 1
 
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| 1
 
| 2
 
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| 49 8
 
| 21
 
| 0
 
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| 48 8
 
| 19
 
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| 10
 
| 42 -71
 
| 17
 
| 5
 
| 8
 
| 3
 
| 0
 
| 0
 
| 0
 
| 0
 
| 0
 
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| 1
 
| 0
 
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| 11
 
| 49 9
 
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| 37 -122
 
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| 1
 
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| 13
 
| -35 149
 
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| 1
 
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| 0
 
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| 49 10
 
| 14
 
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| 49 12
 
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| 0
 
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| 16
 
| -33 151
 
| 13
 
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| 2
 
| 2
 
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| 48 -122
 
| 12
 
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| 48 11
 
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| 52 7
 
| 11
 
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Wow, needs to be way more Aussie grats on this list... -- [[User:UnwiseOwl|UnwiseOwl]] 13:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
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The January 12th Globalhash is on an [[Augusta, Georgia|Augusta, Georgia]] [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:(33.676530,-81.271464) access road] or joint driveway. This is EXTREMELY reachable. We need to find a local hasher!  --[[User:billsquared|Bill^2]] 15:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm just waiting for them to create a new ribbon for Most Coordinates reached by bicycle, foot, horseback, swimming, double decker bus, traveling the autoban, kayak, in a Vauxhall with a BM plate, or shopping cart/shopping trolly, because, I doubt that any other graticule in the world be be able to catch us. Us and I am referring to both [[User:Woodveil|Woodveil]] and [[User:NWoodruff|Me]] --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 16:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 
  
::Until another urban graticule with your geography has people who are willing to drive every day, you probably have it, indeed. I think most people in such an accessible graticule wait for the most interesting spots to cherry-pick. Vancouverites, by contrasthave attended every single geohash in the graticule that was accessible via public streets since the beginning of the algorithm, yet that gives us about two a month, with a couple more per month because we're willing to take ferries, kayak and bushwhack. I get more than four a month, because I often go outside the graticule. Most of our expeditions take all day, and it usually takes a day or two to prepare/clean up/rest up, so Vancouver area expeditions typically have at least a day in between. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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Also, the globalhash is in Alabama tomorrow and looks very easy (i.e. roadside.)  You guys should go for it!!  -- [[User:OtherJack|OtherJack]] ([[User talk:OtherJack|talk]]) 13:56, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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:I got my own alert email. I'm in the process of renting a car as we speak. I should ask Million Zillion if he wants to go.--[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 14:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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::Cool!! -- [[User:OtherJack|OtherJack]] ([[User talk:OtherJack|talk]]) 14:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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::Going for a 3-fer on globalhashes, I see? I ''would'' like to get my first... That's a four hour trip, each way. I could use the change of pace, and I certainly don't mind splitting for gas/rental fees in a carpool, but actually ''finding'' gas on the highway could be a bit iffy for the next few days, what with the [http://www.ajc.com/news/business/gas-pipeline-to-start-pumping-today/nscHh/ pipeline spill] and recovery. Still, it seems very doable. When are you going to leave? [[User:Million zillion|Million zillion]] ([[User talk:Million zillion|talk]]) 19:16, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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:::Check your email Million zillion --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 19:31, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
  
:::I think that most people are jealous that we have one of the most accessible graticules on the entire planet. I drive 80 miles a day to go and return from work, so when a hash point is only 15 miles out of my way, I don't think twice about making it. I very much enjoy exploring the Atlanta Graticule and surrounding graticules. If other geohasher want to complain and find ways to exclude Atlanta, so be it. If others want to beat my record, MOVE TO FRICKEN ATLANTA. The weather is some of the best in the entire south eastern united states. It will be sunny and in the lower 80's all this week here. I hope to see you in this graticule one day Robyn. Oh... And I am older than you are. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] 16:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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== Thomcat sighting ==
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Business trip; will be staying at 33.761618, -84.387205 Oct 31 through Nov 3. Available evenings, will keep an eye out for a geohash near transportation. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 17:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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:Non Business: will be with in 20 miles Oct 31 through Nov 3. Available evenings for dinner/sightseeing at a minimum if a geohash is not in the area. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 18:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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::Well today's Atlanta point doesn't look too reasonable (woods near Douglasville, likely private property). Up for a meeting at Max Lager's? Looks like our flight arrives just before 6:00, then we have to wend our way north. Will advise. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 13:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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::In holding pattern... Like what I did with that? I'm likely going to take my 5 year old son walking neighborhoods tonight. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 13:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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:::Customer meeting tomorrow at 10am; flight out early evening. Will check points for here and Orlando :) --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 22:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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:::What happened to Nov 3rd?? I was looking forward to meeting up with you...?--[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 22:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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::::Atlanta is the temporary base. Back from Orlando Wed then drive to SC. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 13:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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::::Tell your pilot you want to take off from 9L. That will not put you within the 10 meter requirement but should get you within 100 feet. --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 13:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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::::[https://goo.gl/maps/xz25z9mFmuy Google Map] --[[User:NWoodruff|NWoodruff]] ([[User talk:NWoodruff|talk]]) 13:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
  
::::Hey, as long as you're having fun. It's true that when the points fall in the ocean or in the untracked mountains to the north that we wish we had a more accessible graticule, but we wouldn't want to trade. My personal concern is not beating records--I've explained that Vancouver's geography isn't suitable for that--but watching to see that geohashing doesn't get a bad name from lawbreaking. I thought you realized that from the nature of my involvement in these discussions. I know from my expedition talk that a lot of people are jealous of Vancouver for having so many people willing to go on such wacky expeditions. The water taxi on [[2009-04-25 49 -123|Saturday]] was super fun.  I was thinking earlier of going to Atlanta, it's true, but I decided not to after you explained the unsuitable cycling conditions, high crime, and atrocious public transit. After your streak is over. NCBears say that their graticule is much better for cycling, so if I go to the southeast US, that will be a higher choice. I wouldn't worry about having a couple of years on me. You're male, so have a better capacity to build muscle mass, which more than makes up for it.  -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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:Tonights neighborhood looks okay from a phone. Debating a stop on the way to SC. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 22:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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::Debated and done. Back tomorrow after 9am meeting near Clemson. --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 23:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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:::Ended up spending time in Athens and then heading straight to the airport for a late afternoon departure. Next time I will squeeze more availability into the schedule! Coming to the northwest anytime soon? --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] ([[User talk:Thomcat|talk]]) 13:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 13:48, 4 November 2016

Archives: 2009


Geohashing in 2009

December: starting out as a slow month, I think Portland may snipe us! --LuxMundi 14:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh.... Never --NWoodruff 15:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
You were right! Should never have doubted!!!--LuxMundi 17:57, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


January: Also started out as a slow month but in the end we ended up snatching the pebble out of the hand of Melbourne, Australia for Most Expeditions. --NWoodruff 01:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Awesome photo! -- Jevanyn

The picture was taken during a rare tornado moving through downtown Atlanta March of 2008 -- NWoodruff


Globalhash

The January 12th Globalhash is on an Augusta, Georgia access road or joint driveway. This is EXTREMELY reachable. We need to find a local hasher! --Bill^2 15:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, the globalhash is in Alabama tomorrow and looks very easy (i.e. roadside.) You guys should go for it!! -- OtherJack (talk) 13:56, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I got my own alert email. I'm in the process of renting a car as we speak. I should ask Million Zillion if he wants to go.--NWoodruff (talk) 14:10, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Cool!! -- OtherJack (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Going for a 3-fer on globalhashes, I see? I would like to get my first... That's a four hour trip, each way. I could use the change of pace, and I certainly don't mind splitting for gas/rental fees in a carpool, but actually finding gas on the highway could be a bit iffy for the next few days, what with the pipeline spill and recovery. Still, it seems very doable. When are you going to leave? Million zillion (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Check your email Million zillion --NWoodruff (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thomcat sighting

Business trip; will be staying at 33.761618, -84.387205 Oct 31 through Nov 3. Available evenings, will keep an eye out for a geohash near transportation. --Thomcat (talk) 17:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Non Business: will be with in 20 miles Oct 31 through Nov 3. Available evenings for dinner/sightseeing at a minimum if a geohash is not in the area. --NWoodruff (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Well today's Atlanta point doesn't look too reasonable (woods near Douglasville, likely private property). Up for a meeting at Max Lager's? Looks like our flight arrives just before 6:00, then we have to wend our way north. Will advise. --Thomcat (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
In holding pattern... Like what I did with that? I'm likely going to take my 5 year old son walking neighborhoods tonight. --NWoodruff (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Customer meeting tomorrow at 10am; flight out early evening. Will check points for here and Orlando :) --Thomcat (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
What happened to Nov 3rd?? I was looking forward to meeting up with you...?--NWoodruff (talk) 22:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Atlanta is the temporary base. Back from Orlando Wed then drive to SC. --Thomcat (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Tell your pilot you want to take off from 9L. That will not put you within the 10 meter requirement but should get you within 100 feet. --NWoodruff (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Google Map --NWoodruff (talk) 13:48, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
Tonights neighborhood looks okay from a phone. Debating a stop on the way to SC. --Thomcat (talk) 22:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Debated and done. Back tomorrow after 9am meeting near Clemson. --Thomcat (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Ended up spending time in Athens and then heading straight to the airport for a late afternoon departure. Next time I will squeeze more availability into the schedule! Coming to the northwest anytime soon? --Thomcat (talk) 13:48, 4 November 2016 (UTC)