Talk:All Graticules

Abbreviation Standard

Have we decided on a standard yet in regards to abbreviations in the list as well as on the graticule page titles? (I am specifically referring to U.S. state abbreviations which are currently a mix and match.)--KDinCT 12:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ordering of Australasia

The Australasia contains only 2 countries; Australia and New Zealand, and when the locations are ordered by Coordinates, they kind of overlap, making it harder to find what someone is looking for.

Perhaps it should be split into two categories, or sub-categories.

P.S. Some people from New Zealand (like me) object to being grouped in with Australia under the term Australasia, which seams too Australian. --Phire 12:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Active vs. Not Active

Where I do see active vs. not active as being a helpful determination, I am concerned that we may end up with duplicate graticule pages when people don't realize that it is listed in one place or the other. As such maybe this page should be changed to "All Graticules" and then divide out active vs. not active with categories?--KDinCT 12:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was worried about that. I wanted to create pages for the bigger cities in Norway, because I'd love to get people into this, here, and I think they're more likely to if they search for their hometown, and find it. On the other hand, having a separate heading on the "active" page, or even a separate page is really not optimal. AshleyMorton 13:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I see the point of having inactive graticules here - I doubt that it's going to actually draw more people to join, and it just crowds the list - IMO, at least. Zigdon 17:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

North America ordering

At quick glance I could discern no particular reason to the ordering under North America. So I added "my" two graticules at the end of the list. I'd suggest these be either ordered by lat/lon (direction is immaterial to me), or ordered by state-then-by-city. I can start a cleanup if that sounds good to people. --Del 13:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah - I see that the Category pages sort nicely. So the question is how best to put entries on this page... --UncleOp 13:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

These are perfectly ordered North to South (by latitude) and then subsequently West to East. This allows for a quick view to prevent duplication (the same graticule named for two separate cities). Conveniently the two Maine graticules you added being in the northeast aren't that far off from their proper place in the list. (Additionally, if people want to see them listed alphabetically they can look at the categories page. No reason to have them listed to same way in two places.)--KDinCT 14:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

"Strike that; reverse it." I.e., in North America they are ordered by descending longitude (West to East) and then descending latitude (North to South). But I see the pattern now. N.B.: that not all of the regions order the same way (at least as of this posting); contrast North America (and its comment) with Australasia. Cheers! --UncleOp 14:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Strike and reverse comment noted. (*smiles* I was thinking it right and typed it wrong) This was the way all of the continents were originally ordered and Australasia recently changed. I am open to a more logical way of ordering if you (or anyone else) can think of one. It would be nice if all of the lists were using the same convention. The only convention I would be opposed to would be alphabetical (due to my comment above).--KDinCT 14:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I added a link and comment to the North America category. Is that OK? Should I (or someone) do likewise for the other main headings? --UncleOp 15:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this is a great solution. --KDinCT 15:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I am thinking about it again and maybe we should completely reorder all of the continent lists to be North to South and (West to East). I think it would make the sort order look a little less random (since the human eye tends to read the first number first and not the second number first). Want a little discussion before putting forth the effort since it would be a big change. --KDinCT 16:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this and think it is a very logical solution. This would be especially helpful for someone viewing the list for the first time. noych 16:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Would someone explain the choice of "West to East" vs. "East to West"? EtW is ascending, and fits well with relative distance from the Prime Meridian. Is this considered too Euro-centric? I suppose it also matters which side of the PM you are starting on. As to North-to-South vs. South-to-North, one can flip a coin, since ascending would imply StN, but starting with negative numbers also seems strange to some (me, at least). --UncleOp 19:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

To me "west to east" makes sense because that is the way English text is read. Same thing with "north to south" it is just seems 'natural. At least that is my two cents. --KDinCT 19:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I note that there are (currently) no Canadian or Mexican links in the North America category; I presume this is either the way the Wiki works or just a matter of how the person(s) editing the main category page happened to do it. My entries seemed to automagically appear, so I am happy. Or someone is very quick to edit :-) That leads to:

Q: So why don't we have Canada or Mexico in North America at the moment? Do the respective pages simply have to include the category, and haven't? Seems to be the case for Vancouver, BC; that page doesn't have any categories listed...

It is simply a matter of the graticule page not having any categories listed. I just went in quick and added ones that I could blatently tell were in Canada but someone should go around all of the border graticules and confirm that they have reference to the correct states and to Canada. I also note that some of the Canadian graticules also have reference to their states. --KDinCT 15:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)