Talk:Namesake achievement

I think that this proposal needs work defining how much creativity is allowed. Are we allowing translations of the same name, for example, could a Hans or a Yohanan claim the achievement for any place containing "John"? Then, some places have different names in different languages. Could a Constance claim the achievement in the Bodensee, which is known in English as Lake Constance? Could a Konstantin? Could a Francis, or a Franziska, claim the achievement for France? Could a Helen claim the achievement for Greece, a Jacob for Israel?

Speaking of larger place names, the proposal mentions that any part of the point may be used, but doesn't mention any locations larger than cities. Can a Georg claim the achievement for Georgia, the US state? What about Georgia, the country? Can an Amerigo claim the achievement anywhere in the Americas? Can a Gaia or a Terra, admittedly not terribly common names, claim the achievement anywhere on Earth?

I'm all for allowing maximum creativity, but I want to make sure that this is the intention of the achievement. --Fippe (talk) 13:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Translations of the same name should be allowed. If the name fits in some way and can be explained by the individual then it's a valid claim. With larger place names, I think that should still be valid. If you happen to have a name that coincides with a larger place then you just happened to be luckier than others, but still equally valid (so, yes, a Gaia could claim any point if they thought to do so). --KerrMcF (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if adding individual limitations would end up causing unnecessary confusion. For example, I've said that usernames would count, however, usernames such as "Englishdude" and similar in which the country or nationality is part of the username seem unfair since the vast majority of attempted locations will always fit the achievement and the username is created by the individual. Adding a limitation restricting usernames from counting if the username relates to nationality would just confuse, especially since an actual name (like Saxon) would count for England. I agree that adding clarification on the creativity allowed is a good idea (and I'll do that now) but I can't think of any limitations that wouldn't simultaneously make the achievement requirements unfair for certain people. --KerrMcF (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm rewording this because I seemed to struggle to put my thoughts down clearly. I don't think it makes sense to include any limitations. It is true that certain users will find it easier to earn this achievement, but they should not be punished for this. Doing so would overcomplicate the requirements for the achievement instead of make it fairer. --KerrMcF (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I support this achievement, I can see this is very challenging for myself and thereby very rewarding if I ever achieve it, though it can be much easier for others as explained in the examples. I also support maximum creativity, but would like to count only someone's real name (given names and family names). A username that is not their real name can be chosen and that would make this achievement too "manufacturable". Manufacturable achievements should be harder (such as the Twister or Bill Gates achievements). Although it's less optimal if people do not want to share their real name on the internet (or provide proof of it). If you marry a particular someone or are trans and that way can change your real name into something to manufacture this achievement, you deserve kudos for that level of commitment. --Blauwe BIC (talk) 11:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe it is possible for someone to change their username after creating their account, but I could be wrong. If someone happens to create an account named after the first point they reach, I don't see any reason not to give them a ribbon for doing so. It is probably unlikely that this will happen and most cases in which usernames are used are likely to just be coincidental that they match. I see it as one of two options. Either usernames are not allowed to be used, excluding those who are uncomfortable providing their legal name, or usernames are allowed to be used, but a very small minority of people might decide to "abuse" the achievement by naming their account a certain way, which isn't really an issue. --KerrMcF (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

We could add the restriction that the user name has to be older than the time the coordinates are announced for that particular day. --Fippe (talk) 17:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

That works for me! --KerrMcF (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Support Pretty niche, but potentially fun. Maybe it will inspire me to travel to the UK and wait for a geohash in the village of Stevenage. Stevage (talk) 02:05, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Open to too much interpretation of "your name" and "graticule name" and favours ethnic Europeans and non-immigrants. Bottomley Potts (talk) 11:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand this objection. The person who inspired this achievement is an immigrant and not ethnically European. --Fippe (talk) 14:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Same as above, I'm not overly sure how anything about this achievement is region specific. As the achievement allows for translations/alternative versions of names, a Grzegorz could move to the UK and still earn the achievement via the name Gregory (or Greg, Gregor, or even Kelekolio should they end up in Hawaii). --KerrMcF (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A Grzegorz, yes, because it's a Christian saint's name and therefore has equivalents in all European languages. A Muhammad or a Sanjay living in the UK has no such options. Bottomley Potts (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems that your two reasons for objection cancel each other out. "Too much interpretation" solves the foreign name problem. Muhammad will be just fine if he can use Anthony, and Sanjay if he can use Victor, as those names have equivalent meanings. --Fippe (talk) 00:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I also don't agree with this objection. It's true that people whose name is similar ethnically to the area they tend to go geohashing stand a greater chance of achieving it, but this doesn't seem like a good reason to oppose. Geohashing is not a level playing field - certain places in the world are much easier or harder. Me, I have a pretty common English first name, and live in a former British colony, and still I've never geohashed at any kind of "Stephenstown" or "Stephen Street", although I did pass down a "Steve's Lane" pretty close to this hash. I think it's a pretty hard achievement for everyone. Stevage (talk) 11:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Favouring non-immigrants seems an excellent reason to me. I think we just value different things. Bottomley Potts (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Support Definitely one of the harder achievements to get, but I'm all for it, especially with some wiggle room and creativity along the lines of what's already in place for A Tale Of Two Hashes. We could argue about the specifics of what does and doesn't count, and I've already spoken a bit on the Discord server about my thoughts there, but I think we could just go with "any variation of your name or username, including translations" and if someone wants to game the system... so be it. Everything's on the honor system here anyway. --Haberdasher