User talk:Zebburkeconte

First activity in the Reno graticule in 5 years! Should be able to get in some Seattle geohashing as well.

Looking forward to it! --Thomcat (talk) 11:07, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

Thanks so much Calamus! I had no idea how to do that!

You're more than welcome! Toss me a note here if you need any more help. I originally thought about sticking an ASG on your user page as well, but I wasn't sure what your home graticule was. From your recent edits, I trust you can put it there yourself if you want it. Also, those timestamps we do are produced by entering "--~~~~" and help a lot to follow a discussion.

Congrats on your first success! I was starting to feel sorry for you. But next time the point hits somebody's front lawn, please consider asking the owner first. I hear trespassing can be dangerous to your health in your country, and I really don't want to see anyone get hurt, least of all a NextGen hasher. And no, I'm not patronizing you because of your age or anything, I'm just as worried about everybody else. --Calamus 12:06, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

NextGen hasher? I'm afraid I'm not up to date with the lingo... --Zebburkeconte (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

I'd like to second the congratulations on your first success. And it's always preferable to get permission before going onto someone's property, if possible. However, depending on state and local laws, walking onto someone's lawn may or may not be trespassing. For example, under Idaho's state law, you're not trespassing on someone's front lawn unless there's a fence, a sign, or you've been asked to leave (there may well be cities or counties with more restrictive laws, but I haven't looked them all up). Under Oregon state law on the other hand, it's trespassing even without a fence or signs. I don't know what the laws say where you were hashing at, but it's probably worth finding out at least the state (or equivalent, if not in the USA) law for any area where you plan to geohash. And the dangers of trespassing in this country, except in rural areas of a few particularly gun-happy states, aren't particularly high. However, trespassing can help to breed ill-will towards geohashing, and possibly land you with an unpleasant encounter with the police, a fine, or possibly other legal repercussions. --Eldin (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

Glad to see that usually being murdered and sued because you accidentally brush against a fence in your country is more of a cliché than a fact. But even in higher developed legal systems that don't allow self-administered "justice", trespassing definitely isn't nice and should be avoided. Alright, and now I think we stop spamming his talk page and leave him be. --Calamus 16:40, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

No worries about spam. I'm aware of the Ambassador Achievement but it was clear nobody was home when we arrived (no cars in driveway, lights all dark). In the future, I'll definitely ask first. --Zebburkeconte (talk) 19:32, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

Just out of curiosity, searched around for Washington State laws and found this strange passage: In any prosecution under RCW 9A.52.070 and 9A.52.080, it is a defense that: The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him or her to enter or remain. Not sure exactly what that means, how can I know the person's outlook on Geohashing? Either way, I will certainly try for the Ambassador Achievement in the future. It's also probably prudent to be extra cautious in Reno because Nevada, unfortunately, is one of those few gun-happy states. --Zebburkeconte (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

That's what I thought. This passage is interesting. It probably will be removed as the law develops, as Good Faith can't ever be proven or disproven. However, if you don't live in an altruistic or communistic society (which you don't) and the premises in question don't belong to a well-known philantropist, you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that you were sure a stranger would grant you access. Of course, in your legislation verdicts still mostly depend on how much a bunch of random people like you and are therefore pretty arbitrary anyway. But let's just not let it happen. --Calamus 00:59, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Relevant. --Zebburkeconte (talk) 09:57, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Irrelevant. --Calamus 14:27, 17 September 2013 (EDT)