Talk:Amsterdam, Netherlands

Dus....

is de zaterdagmiddag-meetup op de coordinaten van 2008-05-23? NY stock exchange is vast dicht op zaterdag.... Gebruiken wij eigenlijk de NYSE? Of een andere beurs? Want de opening van de NYSE is in Europa pas om een uur of drie 's middags.

Ik zou de Dow van vrijdag gebruiken en als datum gewoon zaterdag. (De coordinaten hangen zowel af van datum als koers van de Dow Jones, dus met dezelfde koers van de Dow Jones heb je toch andere coordinaten op andere dagen.)

So....

will the saturdayafternoon meet-up be held at the coordinates of 2008-05-23? NYSE is probably closed on saturdays...... Do we use the openings of the NYSE in Europe? Or do we use some European Stock Exchange? Cause NYSE opening aren't known until 3 P.M. in Europe.

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Well, I'm not sure why everyone is discussing about which numbers to use for Europe: the algorithm clearly states to use the 'most recent' if today's is not available, plus, as you say, the NYSE is closed on Saturdays, so we'd be using the Dow from the day before. So - I reckon that we should say that the meetup on the 24th should use the Dow from the 23rd, and so on. In general I'm interested in meetings! But I'm busy the next two Saturdays... :-/

Who else is up for it?

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I agree. Saturday meetings are not a problem. However, the algorithm strongly imlies you could do this every day, just as a personal quest. If you add in the geocaching tradition of the first one to get there to leave an item and/or note and every next one trades that item for a new one, you could get a very addicting game. So the question remains whether or not we should use NYSE openings on weekdays. Using yesterdays opening gives you way too much preperation time, and using the current opening starts the game at 3.30 P.M. Dutch time, which might be a bit late.

Modifying the algorithm to use London SE openings shouldn't be that difficult, should it?

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Indeed, for non-weekends and the original geocaching tradition the current algorithm gives too much preparation time. There is quite some debate over it here, and it looks like there will be a 'decision' taken soon: http://wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing/Talk:Main_Page#Europe_Time_Zones_problem

Of course, we can do what we want regardless.  ;-)

Personally, I have to work apart from the weekends... I'm also limited to bikes / public transport, which may make life a little tricky when the targets aren't close to Leiden.

Meetups are only interesting if there is enough people to make it worthwhile. How many are we? Starting a list:

Neil (Leiden) Niels (Hoofddorp) Ansgar (Amsterdam)

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BTW, tomorrow's meet-up is across the water from the Machineweg in Amsterdam, in a farmer's field. I know geocachers get into trouble very often due to trespassing. Would it be completely out of the question to set our coordinates a little bit differently? Like across the water, where we don't break any laws?

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I'd assume tomorrow (Saturday) we use Friday's Dow Jones opening, but tomorrow's date. Then the meetup would be somewhere along the N11 (i.e. near Leiden). Today's coordinates would be across the Machineweg.

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Thanks for that answer. Forgot about that. I visited the Houtrak friday afternoon. It's close to home anyway. Noone there ofcourse, it being a friday. I made some pics, just to be sure. Noone else was at the Houtrak on Friday? It doesn't really count as a meet-up I'm afraid....

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Hmm... saturday's meeting was really close... shame I was in Arnhem at the time

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Gah! Me too, I live in Leiden and would have gone, but was in Belgium for the weekend. I'm away this weekend too, but the one after should be fine.

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Who on earth renamed our graticule to Amsterdam? Noord-west Nederland was significantly more accurate

The page history shows that it was Danatar, who was probably zealously applying the rule to name it after the largest city in the graticule. -Robyn 14:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That was fast...very impressive. So is that a geohash policy of some sorts? I'd understand if people called it Amsterdam to begin with, but why rename it afterwards? Can we change it back?

Yeah, it's a guideline. But I think your page may predate it. I didn't check, but I know it's been around a long time. To change it back, go to the page, click on the history tab, find the edit by Danatar, click undo, and save the page. Then leave a note on Danatar's page explaining why you prefer the name, so you don't get into an edit war. I fiigure if it's your graticule you know what's best for it. Know that I'm not in any position of authority though. I'm just a wiki user, like you and Danatar. -Robyn 14:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a policy, and I agree on it. Most dutch graticule pages were created before this guideline however. "Noord west Nederland" is unclear for anyone outside the Netherlands. And it's not correct either. "Holland" might be the most correct, and totally unclear for anyone not knowing the difference between Holland and the Netherlands (ie: the world). All dutch graticules that weren't named after the largest city have been renamed. We even got Rotterdam back! (apparently it has more inhabitants than Antwerpen). The only useful dutch exception to this largest-city rule is Texel, if you'd ask me. Can you explain your objections to naming this one Amsterdam?--Arvid 16:14, 13 October 2008 (UTC)