Talk:2012 calendar
Three words: Hashscots gone wild. -- [[user:thepiguy]] 21:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I like the idea of voting each month, but then I wouldn't want to introduce the limitation of a fixed theme, but rather write something like "The photo should have some relation to geohashing in addition to being taken at the geohash, in order to make it an interesting calender. It could contain, for example, a Hashscot, an xkcd marker, a Google Earth Pin, a Stupid Grintm, etc.". I think we should try to fix this and discuss other details quickly, so that all issues are (ideally) resolved until the end of 2010! Some issues I can think of at the moment and my suggestions to them:
- Nomination: I would suggest the photos for each month should be nominated by the photographer itself and/or any persons in the picture, to assure that they are okay with it probably being printed in the calender
- What are the requirements for a photo to be nominated? It should be from an expedition of that month, taken close to the geohash, but reaching the geohash is not required. Older photos could be nominated for either the Cover or December. Any photo needs to be available in high resolution of course...
- Voting: I suggest voting during the preceding month (e.g. voting for the January picture from February 1 to February 28) only for November we would need to shorten this period (one week? two weeks? How much time is needed for layout, printing and shipping?). Every registered user can cast one vote (or two? I'm sure I wont also be able to decide ;) ).
- Ribbon: We need a cool ribbon of course!
- I uploaded a picture for the ribbon:
please feel free to improve on it! - For a name I'm still suggesting Star Photographer Achievement
- I uploaded a picture for the ribbon:
Um, so much from me for today. --HiroProtagonist 04:29, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nominations
- +1. I would suggest to allow nominations by other people. I would like to allow the active wiki browsers and photography enthusiasts to propose nominations. The author of the photo must, of course, be informed and support the nomination.
- We can prepare the layout in advance, and just add a photo and a good quote for November. Printing and initial delivery takes minimum two weeks, international shipping and redistribution should have an allowance of two weeks as well. That's why I suggested to skip December, and hurry for November. :) -- relet 11:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- And what would "hurry for November" mean exactly? According to your calculation we need to allow for four weeks of printing+international distribution, so the November picture would have to be decided already by the end of November?! --HiroProtagonist 15:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- How about if we pull the Nov/Dec(Oct?) photos from 2010 to give us time to prepare and print? Jiml 16:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- First of all, I think the October picture we can certainly take from October 2011, since voting during November does not conflict with the printing schedule. Taking the Nov/Dec picture from the respective 2010 months is a good possibility I think, but for at least one picture (the cover?) I would love a voting on "best geohashing picture ever" --HiroProtagonist 17:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Perfect! Let's do that! Cover image: Best geohashing photo from May 2008-Oct 2011. Nov and Dec from 2010, all other months from 2011. We need to decide on a voting procedure! -- relet 17:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- First of all, I think the October picture we can certainly take from October 2011, since voting during November does not conflict with the printing schedule. Taking the Nov/Dec picture from the respective 2010 months is a good possibility I think, but for at least one picture (the cover?) I would love a voting on "best geohashing picture ever" --HiroProtagonist 17:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Voting procedure: I would like to have two features - open voting (since we do not have authenticated user accounts and not discussing strong opinions, we should really just be able to state our votes and sign with our names), and if possible some preference/cumulative voting. Ideally a condorcet variant, but that is difficult to realize in a wiki. Or does anyone know some simple, useful voting portals? If not, we might just allow anyone to give one or more pictures their support and have that add up. -- relet 17:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- I support open voting, anything else would be to unnecessarily complicated for this. After reading about the Condorcet method on Wikipedia I'm impressed by the idea, but I seems quite complicated to implement. I would suggest either Bucklin voting or Borda count in each case with a limited number of ranks (3? 4?). --HiroProtagonist 19:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- Um, it's like only 5 days till January 1st, so could we maybe decide on a voting procedure now?! =) At the moment, I like Bucklin voting best, but I'm quite willing to be persuaded.
| Picture A | Picture B | Picture C | Picture D | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| named first preference by ... voters | 7 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| named second preference by ... voters | 4 | 7 | 5 | 4 |
| named third preference by ... voters | 2 | 9 | 6 | 3 |
- To explain the procedure of Bucklin voting: Any voter names his first, second and third favourite picture. Example with 20 voters: In the beginning you only look at the first preference votes. Since no picture has the majority (10 or more) of votes, none wins directly. So we add the second preference votes to the first preference votes. This gives us 11 for A, 12 for B, 9 for C and 8 for D. Now there is a picture (two in fact) with more than 10 votes, so we have a winner, namely picture B.
- If after taking into account the second votes, still no picture has a majority, you continue by adding third votes, etc. Instead of 3 ranks, we can also have more (4? 5? as many as pictures?) but you can anyway also only name your first (or first and second, etc.) choice. I would not allow for equal ranking, to make the procedure easier. What do you say? --HiroProtagonist 11:39, 26 December 2010 (EST)
Timing of the voting: I would suggest there is always exactly one month time to vote. For Nov and Dec the pictures (which are from expeditions of Nov or Dec 2010 respectively) should be nominated till the end of Dec 2010 and voting can take place during Jan 2011. For all the other months voting takes place in the subsequent month. Voting on the cover takes place in November, so that all is decided by the end of November. --HiroProtagonist 19:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
