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Visiting DE
Relet, hail! Just thought I should let you know I'll be in Niedersachsen for at least a week, and of course I intend to geohash. I will have no vehicle, but I understand the trains are quite good. Keep in touch! --Thomcat 23:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
geosquishy
I don't claim to understand how these templates and ribbons function, but a recent edit to Template:GeoSquishy_Night seems to have broken it. Juventas 08:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Trespassing
There must be an error in translation somewhere. "One day the only people trespassing will be criminals" comes out to me exactly like "one day the only people doing vandalism will be criminals." Trespassing is an illegal act, so it is by definition criminal. You never know the reason why people want their property private. They could have valuable and very easily frightened livestock. There could be something on the property dangerous to you. They may be running a grow op, making your presence very dangerous to you. And the rules of the game which Randall made say to stay off of private property unless you have permission. It's just like the rules say you have to go on the right day. If you don't, you're doing it wrong and it doesn't count. -Robyn 15:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- I do not believe in a translation error so much as in a cultural difference. Take for example Woodveil and Woodruff's recent expedition. People called the police because geohashers took photos in front of their house, and drew with chalk on the sidewalk. Were they criminalizing the sport? No - because they could explain that they were playing a game. And I think that this is important. People must realize that not everyone acting a bit weird, or resting on a bench you placed on your lawn, is a suspicious criminal, a burglar or a terrorist. And fortunately, in many places in the world, there is nothing suspicious or criminal about this. I am giving these examples because they have happened "in the wiki" and the latter has been labeled "trespassing".
- In other places (the UK will have to serve as one example), you can be detained for taking photos of the police force, of buildings or swimming pools. Should we stop taking photos of people and property while geohashing?
- The cultural difference is that in many places, trespassing (as in "entering private property without explicit permission") is not a crime per se. In my place, trespassing becomes illegal when you enter closed buildings, or enter fenced or locked property, or if the property owner explicitly forbids you to enter or move to certain parts of his property. In short, if there is a provable criminal intent. Entering an open driveway or even opening a garden gate with the intent to take photos, or talk to anyone around is NOT illegal (in my understanding). Please note that I am not arguing to blindly disobey fences, no-trespassings signs and access a farm house through the stables. But I think that people should be allowed to use their own common sense; and I still think that this is the intent originally stated in the disclaimer. -- relet 10:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- I only just saw this now. In the USA it is not illegal to take photos in front of a house or draw with chalk on a road. So there's no leverage to claim that they could be criminalizing the sport. That's just an example of stupid crazy homeowners. It is illegal, however, in the US to go on someone's property without permission. In fact, it's legally defensible in some parts of the country to shot and kill someone who enters your property without permission. I'm sorry I took so long to understand what you were saying. It's just that you kept saying "trespassing is okay" perhaps not realizing that in English to trespass is a legal concept: it doesn't just mean "enter someone else's property" but has the meaning of wrongdoing embedded in it. In some versions of the Lord's Prayer English speakers ask God to "forgive us our trespasses." It was a contradiction. I suppose I should have realized that in a country where some roads have no speed limit, there might be radically different private property laws too. At least you can now understand why there is a distinction in the US between being weird (legal) and trespassing (illegal). I often geohash in the US, so I have to respect those signs. -Robyn 00:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Re Talk:2009-02-26_30_-86
I really enjoyed this expedition Relet. Glad you did too. I see you had an adventure very I'm jealous of. Your experience in Punta Arenas was great. I have always wanted to go there and almost did once but a colleague stole the trip away from me. I'm wondering what took you there. --Bos 18:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thwarting
Would you disagree with a redirect making "Failed" expeditions into "Thwarted" ones? Category_talk:Expedition_Outcomes#.22Failed.22_Should_Be_.22Thwarted.22 -Robyn 21:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
ReletBot
I like this a lot. Automatic creation of graticule pages is good. Magically filling in the neighbor links is ausgezeichnet. I would have left this comment on User Talk:ReletBot, but I hear there's an unfortunate side effect. --starbird 01:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I suggest scanning an All Graticules page for obvious errors before sending the bot there. Otherwise errors like ALaska and Quatar have to be manually corrected in three places (move gratiule page to new name, change category name and go back to All Graticules for the original error). -Robyn 21:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Agreed. (If there were some repetitive errors, such as Quatar->Qatar, it might help there, though, too). And thanks a lot for fixing these propagated mistakes. :) -- relet 22:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Go for it. I wanted to do that myself but left it capitalized not wanting to alter tradition. --Virgletati 20:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Relet, would your bot be capable of going through the daily photo galleries and spitting out a list of redlinks from photos submitted by ninjas for me to research and correct? -Robyn 00:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Yikes! ReletBot is deleting pages without checking for links, instead of creating redirects! I just noticed it because it broke a Main Page link to All Graticules. If it's not redirecting, it's leaving a HUGE trail of broken links. This is bad. -Robyn 06:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hum hom. You are right. :\ We should check the "sub"categories listed in Category:Tagged_for_deletion for backlinks. There shouldn't be many, as they are categories - which are not commonly linked to. This is all I can find right now, though - am I missing something? -- relet 07:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- If that was all, it should be fixed now. -- relet 09:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
KML
I don't know where to bring up topics without their own discussion page, but I'm sure Relet will lead me in the right direction. Could we allow uploading of kml files? They are generally very small, and being just plain-text xml, shouldn't pose any security problems. Dawidi looked into a bit for me, couldn't find any known security problems with mediawiki, and was also interested in having it. Juventas 07:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
