excellentdude and I are a little unhappy that our lovingly handcrafted neighbor links for Michigan and Wisconsin were automagically replaced. Automatic generation of grat pages is a wonderful thing, but for pages that are being actively maintained by humans, the humans should perhaps be deferred to. As another example, the neighbor link on the Tōkyō page to the Mount Fuji grat used to read "Fuji-san". This was a deliberate decision to use a perhaps less formal (and more Japanese) name in the neighbor link, not an error.
It would be nice if the bot could distinguish between these kinds of cases and the ones where the link name is just wrong, but I realize that this is a hard problem. --starbird 20:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- I see your point. Still, why not give the graticules the same name everywhere? I.e. - change the name of the Mount Fuji graticule to Fuji-san (on the All Graticules page, and have it called like this by all its neighbours. I haven't had a look at Michigan and Wisconsin yet. -- relet 22:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- The MI and WI changes were precisely the difference between option 3 and option 4 (i.e., two-letter state names). If the rest of the world decides that option 4 is better, then there's no problem. But this is surely a matter of taste. I guess what I'm saying is that the format (and even the content) of neighbor links doesn't need to be standard everywhere. It's not like the a category name or and achievement name, where universal consensus is necessary. --starbird 05:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
- The difficulty is that most graticule templates are not maintained. Graticule names are corrected all the time, new graticules arrive. Relying on people to notice this in all eight neighbouring graticules is unrealistic. I would totally like to keep the templates uncluttered, and to maintain some local jokes and conventions (like calling the Carribean ocean graticules "Pirates"), but I would like to do so consistently to make updates possible. Replacing country names with their ISO country codes for example is IMHO a great idea. I think if we can agree on a common format, that will help a lot. -- relet 12:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
The bot appears to have wiped the existing Singapore page on 5 April. --starbird 17:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I've also noticed that it appears to have created graticules for split cities which already had a single page covering both graticules -- e.g. Cape Town, South Africa. It's probably unnecessary to have the pages for the individual graticules in these cases. What do you think? Also, it then changes the neighbour graticule links in nearby graticules so that links to the split-city page are then broken. -- Benjw 17:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Split cities should have redirects such that you can link to either of the parts and get the whole. Even if two or more graticules are managed as a split city they should have their own names and own lines in All Graticules. -Robyn 22:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Split cities should have redirects -- yes, they should, but ReletBot is naughty and overwrites those. Look at the page history for Cape Town (North), South Africa, for example. -- Benjw 04:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hi there. Sorry about that. I have a pretty good idea what happened with the redirects. This was an old misbehaviour, and should not happen anymore. I wonder what went wrong with Singapore, though, and how it could be that I could have agreed to re-creating that page.
- Actually, after the first big run, reletBot has only been running in monitored mode. I.e., I have to agree to every change that it makes. Basically that was meant to skip starbird's and excellentdudes graticules while there was no Template:Maintained. I guess I haven't paid attention when it asked me about Singapore for some reason. Sorry again. :\ -- relet *puts on sackcloth and ashes* 07:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- This time, it worked correctly. I don't know why. But I promise to be more careful. -- relet 09:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
