User talk:NWoodruff

Hey. What's your opinion on the new page layout? It was suggested on the talk page that the graticule page be rewrote to make it a bit clearer. Do you want me to go ahead and look up all past expeditions in the graticule and link to them at the top, under the ones for January? I just tried to separate the plans from the actual expedition pages. Just thoughts. Thanks. Woodveil 03:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I should have put this on your talk page where you would get a chance to see and respond to it. -Robyn 15:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

You suggested that I respond to your user page section. Here's are my comments.

• It's hard to check out what is going on in so many expeditions, so people make assumptions based on skimming and photographs, and you've had some experience with that. Assume and behave that the person is not attacking you (even if your're sure they are!) and just state your case clearly. I suggest reducing the SHOUTING. Why is this man shouting?
• I joined a discussion-in-progress on whether geohashes using cars only should be disqualified. I said no, I didn't think they should be, but that I encourage geohashers to use bicycles. I stand by that. You now indicate that you didn't need that encouragement, but seem to disparage it nonetheless. I don't see why my encouragement would bother you. I'd expect it to make you proud. I find it odd that you responded to the car-use criticism by saying it was impractical to bike in your graticule, when it would have defused the protesters to simply say, "I do bike to geohashes."
• The same not reading everyone's expeditions clearly that led others to believe that you didn't bike have caused you to make a silly statement in the section. "How many of you Geohasher that whine and complain, ride more than 12 miles on a bicycle to your Geohashes?" Twelve miles is about 20 km and if you read a few bicycle geohash reports you'll see that people are typically going at least double that. I expect to ride 45 km to mine today, for example, and I'll probably ride all the way back, too. You can check up on me for that! And most people don't count their commute to and from work as part of the geohash, unless they passed the geohash as a detour on the way to work.
• I responded to comments others e-mailed me, pointing out a geohasher whose expedition report implied that he was gloating over trespassing. I checked it out. A photo showed a no trespassing sign with a caption asking if the sign would stop him, but the expedition report recorded Coordinates reached. Surely you intended to imply trespassing? There's nothing wrong with teasing people--I implied that my car was incinerated in a recent report--but if you lead people to believe you are behaving unlawfully you have to be prepared for censure. Another expedition documented being refused entry to a gated community, but reaching the geohash anyway. The pages have since been edited to show that no trespassing occurred, but the original text is viewable in the history. I spoke up against trespassing as I always do. If you weren't trespassing, then the only thing I impugned was your communications skills, for not making that clearer.
• I did refer to the enthusiasm of a 13-year-old, that being an age when drive to achieve sometimes overwhelms judgment. I noticed it during a game of duck, duck, goose with mixed ages: the little children were fine, the adults were fine, but the one thirteen year old boy played it with an intensity no one else had, and we were afraid he was going to kill one of the kids. I apologize if the comparison offended you. My intention was to give you a point of comparison you could identify with. It's a pretty good age, though. Perhaps thirteen was different for you. It seems that your recent hard work has allowed you to recapture the cycling ability of a young person, too. I'm glad it's tempered by the judgment of a 41-year-old.
• You mentions your "dedication to this totally boring sport." It's not clear whether your detractors say the sport is boring, or you do. It doesn't fit well.
• The write up and photos on your dedication and fitness regime are impressive. I would tweak it slightly to make it less aggressive/defensive. Remember that your page on the wiki is your introduction to all the people who haven't met you yet, and the people who forget which one you are, anyway. If the people to whom you are responding know the past history, why repeat it, and if they've forgotten, why remind them? And why start out your introduction to new people with "the other stuff people said about me was unfair and untrue"? Just say who you are and let people see it. If you like, I will e-mail you a tweaked version tomorrow that I think would work better.

Well, I wrote lots there, hope it helps. Good luck on today's. -Robyn 16:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I look forward to your email. --NWoodruff 17:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)