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Thinking more about bridges, that's a hard one. Everything has to be either land, water or air. If it's a floating bridge, it's clearly water. But is a suspension bridge, or a bridge on pilings air, water or land? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 14:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | Thinking more about bridges, that's a hard one. Everything has to be either land, water or air. If it's a floating bridge, it's clearly water. But is a suspension bridge, or a bridge on pilings air, water or land? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 14:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
| − | :[[Cross_That_Bridge_Geohash|Bridge Geohash Achievement!]] :D | + | :<s>[[Cross_That_Bridge_Geohash|Bridge Geohash Achievement!]] :D</s> What have I done?! -- [[User:relet|relet]] 17:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC) |
::But that undermines (overmines?) the whole land/air/water thing for the basic achievements! It has to be ne of the three! -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 14:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ::But that undermines (overmines?) the whole land/air/water thing for the basic achievements! It has to be ne of the three! -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 14:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:::Most bridges are built on land (their foundations are on the land under the water) and therefore are merely an extension of the landmass. Also, a hashpoint on a dike counts as a land geohash. Dikes are just bridges with an infinite number of supports. ;) <br>But on the other hand I don't know if I would count a pontoon bridge or a floating dock as "land", even if one end is permanently attached to the land. Should only things that can move freely on the water surface (like boats, air mattresses or swimmers) make water geohashes achievable? That would also exclude ice (but not ice floes or icebergs)! --[[User:Ilpadre|Ilpadre]] 15:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | :::Most bridges are built on land (their foundations are on the land under the water) and therefore are merely an extension of the landmass. Also, a hashpoint on a dike counts as a land geohash. Dikes are just bridges with an infinite number of supports. ;) <br>But on the other hand I don't know if I would count a pontoon bridge or a floating dock as "land", even if one end is permanently attached to the land. Should only things that can move freely on the water surface (like boats, air mattresses or swimmers) make water geohashes achievable? That would also exclude ice (but not ice floes or icebergs)! --[[User:Ilpadre|Ilpadre]] 15:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::I'm thinking ice and floating bridges definitely yes, and I like your logic to make piled or suspension bridges no. This doesn't prevent a Bridge Achievement from existing, just doesn't require it to mess with basic achievements. Ice <i>is</i> the water, so: WATER. Floating in the water, yes: WATER. Cantilevered, suspended or supported on land beside or underneath the water: LAND. Supported without contact with land or water: AIR. If geohashing fate is such that it falls on a bridge that may or may not be floating, but the geohasher gets there and documents it, I'm pretty happy with them taking a water achievement. I can see how it's not the same as renting a kayak, but then no two geohashing expeditions ever match. Perhaps we should -- ahem -- cross this bridge when we come to it. -Robyn 15:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ::::I'm thinking ice and floating bridges definitely yes, and I like your logic to make piled or suspension bridges no. This doesn't prevent a Bridge Achievement from existing, just doesn't require it to mess with basic achievements. Ice <i>is</i> the water, so: WATER. Floating in the water, yes: WATER. Cantilevered, suspended or supported on land beside or underneath the water: LAND. Supported without contact with land or water: AIR. If geohashing fate is such that it falls on a bridge that may or may not be floating, but the geohasher gets there and documents it, I'm pretty happy with them taking a water achievement. I can see how it's not the same as renting a kayak, but then no two geohashing expeditions ever match. Perhaps we should -- ahem -- cross this bridge when we come to it. -Robyn 15:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Oh no! Yet another achievement! I've just been kidding, folks! | ||
| + | :OTOH, now that we started this discussion - how wet does your land have to be, before it becomes a water hash? Think about a swamp. And a puddle. And a big, big puddle in that swamp. There are official bodies of water where you barely get your knees wet, and uncharting, moving inundation areas where you can easily drown. I would almost opinion that the triple achivements Land, Air, Water are not as elemental and unambiguous as often considered; An example that would be easier to define are Above, On and Below Surface -- [[User:relet|relet]] 17:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
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An opportunity not to be missed
Hmm. Geosplash...? 211.30.131.243 07:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Uhm... well.. if the geohash end up in a pool... you can call it a geosplash :) --Evo-- 11:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Frozen water
If the body of water in question is frozen, is it an water geohash achievement? Should we have separate ice geohash achievement? --Cg 15:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- I never thought of that. Yes, I think we should have a separate achievement for reaching a geohashon on the surface of a frozen body of water. I don't think a frozen puddle should count though. Has to be enough water that it would be a water geohash were it not frozen. An artificial ice arena would definitely count, too. With recommendations for skating to the geohash and having a curling or hockey match once you reach it. -Robyn 16:51, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Over water?
Currently the definition says: to a set of coordinates over water. Technically that wouldn't include swimming (as you are in the water then) but bridges, places over underground lakes, an air geohash over the ocean, and, last not least, definitely a frozen lake as long as there is some fluid water left.
Seems to me the definition could use some tweaking. The air geohash over the ocean isn't what was intended with the definition, is it? I wouldn't object against using a bridge (if the hash happens to be exactly on the bridge, of course) or walking out on a frozen lake. Would be a cool (double meaning ;) ) way to get that achievement. What are the odds, anyway? --Ekorren 11:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that an airhash over water is not a water geohash, and the comment above this one discusses over-ice geohashing. The word "over" in this case discusses the access, because it was conceived as a boating achievement. It's actually a very old achievement, one of the first and the wording is quite inspecific compared to later ones. I'll change it to "on the surface of the water" but I'm sure it could use further tweaking. The possibility of walking out over ice was discussed above. Do you think that should be a separate achievement or just a cool double meaning of this one? -Robyn 13:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Thinking more about bridges, that's a hard one. Everything has to be either land, water or air. If it's a floating bridge, it's clearly water. But is a suspension bridge, or a bridge on pilings air, water or land? -Robyn 14:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Bridge Geohash Achievement! :DWhat have I done?! -- relet 17:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- But that undermines (overmines?) the whole land/air/water thing for the basic achievements! It has to be ne of the three! -Robyn 14:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Most bridges are built on land (their foundations are on the land under the water) and therefore are merely an extension of the landmass. Also, a hashpoint on a dike counts as a land geohash. Dikes are just bridges with an infinite number of supports. ;)
But on the other hand I don't know if I would count a pontoon bridge or a floating dock as "land", even if one end is permanently attached to the land. Should only things that can move freely on the water surface (like boats, air mattresses or swimmers) make water geohashes achievable? That would also exclude ice (but not ice floes or icebergs)! --Ilpadre 15:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)- I'm thinking ice and floating bridges definitely yes, and I like your logic to make piled or suspension bridges no. This doesn't prevent a Bridge Achievement from existing, just doesn't require it to mess with basic achievements. Ice is the water, so: WATER. Floating in the water, yes: WATER. Cantilevered, suspended or supported on land beside or underneath the water: LAND. Supported without contact with land or water: AIR. If geohashing fate is such that it falls on a bridge that may or may not be floating, but the geohasher gets there and documents it, I'm pretty happy with them taking a water achievement. I can see how it's not the same as renting a kayak, but then no two geohashing expeditions ever match. Perhaps we should -- ahem -- cross this bridge when we come to it. -Robyn 15:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Most bridges are built on land (their foundations are on the land under the water) and therefore are merely an extension of the landmass. Also, a hashpoint on a dike counts as a land geohash. Dikes are just bridges with an infinite number of supports. ;)
- Oh no! Yet another achievement! I've just been kidding, folks!
- OTOH, now that we started this discussion - how wet does your land have to be, before it becomes a water hash? Think about a swamp. And a puddle. And a big, big puddle in that swamp. There are official bodies of water where you barely get your knees wet, and uncharting, moving inundation areas where you can easily drown. I would almost opinion that the triple achivements Land, Air, Water are not as elemental and unambiguous as often considered; An example that would be easier to define are Above, On and Below Surface -- relet 17:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
