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This page explains how to propose new achievements (ribbons).

Proposed achievements
2000s	Geocashing · Nanny
2010s	Networking · Tag the hash
2020s	EcoFriendly · Graticuleader · Guard Dog · Holiday · Planes trains and automobiles · Sightseeing · Vexillology

Proposing a new achievement

Anyone can propose a new achievement.

Create a new page (go to https://geohashing.site/geohashing/{achievement}, replacing {achievement} with your achievement name).
Enter a description. The more detailed, the better. Try to be clear about questions such as:
- Is it required for the achiever to reach the geohash?
- What proof is required?
- Are there any special rules that restrict the geohasher's behaviour?
Use the Template:Ribbon to demonstrate what the ribbon may look like. The achievement does not need its own template at this stage, you can use the Ribbon template directly in the page.
Add the [[Category:Proposed achievements]] category, and no others.
Once you're happy with the proposal, click "Create this page".
Edit the Template:Proposed achievements page to add a link to your new achievement. Your entry should be ordered alphabetically.
Tell people about it. Perhaps this could be done in our Discord server, or by messaging people you know.
Keep a watch for comments from others, which may include suggestions on how to improve your proposal.

Discussing a proposal

To discuss a proposed achievement, head to the talk page of the proposed achievement. If there isn't one, create it by clicking the "Discussion" tab at the top of the page.

Add a comment as follows:

Support - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
Do not oppose - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
Oppose - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
Needs work - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made

Proposals: what not to do

Avoid proposing achievements where:

The activity proposed is illegal, offensive, intrinsically dangerous, or contrary to the spirit of geohashing. This means no achievements for theft, vandalism, rudeness, environmental damage, or anything similar.
The ribbon is a subset of - or has a large overlap with - an existing ribbon, such that everyone who won one would win both.
The ribbon is for a trivial activity that almost anyone could do at almost any geohash without significant preparation.
The ribbon cannot be earned across the globe. Achievements should not require geohashers to be located in a specific part of the world in order to earn it. This means a "geohash in Canada" achievement should not be made, but a "geohash near to a pub" could and has been made.

Passing the proposal stage

When the achievement...

has been open for discussion for at least seven days
has a complete page, including a ribbon
has supporters from different graticules, and
no longer has any noteworthy opposition (meaning, opposition that has not been resolved or is reinforced by other geohashers)

...the Proposed achievement category is replaced by the New achievement category, the page/template get proper categories, and a listing is made in the appropriate section of the Achievements page. The proposal is also removed from the Template:Proposed achievements page. To ensure real support, the person who finalises the achievement should not be the same as the one who proposed it, even if every vote is supportive. You can notify another user if you believe there is no reason for your proposal not to go ahead.

Failing the proposal stage

If an achievement has a large volume of opposition and the reasons for this opposition are not resolved through discussion, then the Proposed achievements category is replaced with the Rejected achievements category, the reason explained succinctly on the page, and the page otherwise marked to make sure it isn't confused with an achievements page. The proposal is also removed from the Template:Proposed achievements page and added to the Template:Rejected achievements page.

Templates

The template Template:Proposal talk adds a link to the talk page if it is on a main page. If it is already on a talk page, it asks for comments to be written below.

This is a proposal made on {{{date}}}. Please leave comments and suggestions on Talk:Proposed achievements, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

Support - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
Do not oppose - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
Oppose - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
Needs work - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made

See Proposed achievements for more information on this process.

The template Template:Rejected puts a message box on the page, details the reasons for rejection, and adds the page to the respective category.

This achievement was proposed in the past, but has been rejected, because it was too good to be true. Please read the discussion page for more details.

As per the page proposed achievements: If an achievement has strong opposition and the reasons for opposition are not resolved through discussion, then the proposed achievements category is replaced with the rejected achievements category, the reason explained succinctly on the page, and the page otherwise marked to make sure it isn't confused with an achievements page.

Background: why?

We need this system:

To preserve good ideas and get them turned into ribbons if their proposers don't know how.
To ensure that every new achievement is well-thought-out, clearly described, and free of controversy.
To block the creation of silly ribbons (the same ideas can still be used as gratuitous ribbons).
To ensure that newly created ribbons comply with the naming conventions and are properly listed and categorized.
To make it easy for people to find out about new ribbons.
To save time on "we already talked about that and no one liked it" discussions.

One achievement that could have used such a process is the Speed racer achievement, which to discourage lawbreaking, specifies that achievers must drive the speed limit, but is now controversial where there is either no speed limit (Autobahn, unofficial road) or a very low speed limit. Another achievement, the First Geohasher award - now renamed the Earliest geohasher achievement because of this confusion - was originally intended for the purpose now served by the Graticule Unlocked award, but was poorly defined and ended up being interpreted differently.

Proposed achievements
2000s	Geocashing · Nanny
2010s	Networking · Tag the hash
2020s	EcoFriendly · Graticuleader · Guard Dog · Holiday · Planes trains and automobiles · Sightseeing · Vexillology

Rejected achievements

Airborne · Awesome addiction · Bingo · Boats are for sissies! · Celebrity · Children of the Hash · Christmas GPS · Citation Needed · Day Late and a Dollar Short · Dogwalking · Drunk · False start · Ferry · Fibonacci · Fire safety · First aid · Foreign · Free Culture · Good Samaritan · Hashholiday · Irony · Lying Down Game · Mapillary · Motorcycle · Mythical beast · Over and under · Polyhash · Red spider · Reflowered Graticule · Relay · Rite of passage · Romantic · Rubik's Cube · Samaritan · Save the Crop · Serendipity · Sharing · Ski · Smoking · Stacking · Strange attractor · Travelling hashman · Tree dresser · Valentine's · Virgin World · With the dead · You Lost

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-This is a system for proposed achievements, for turning ideas into achievement ribbons.
+__NOTOC__
+This page explains how to propose new achievements (ribbons).
-==Why==
+{{proposed achievements}}
-We need this system:
-* To preserve good ideas and get them turned into ribbons when their proposers don't know how.
-* To ensure that every new achievement is well thought out, clearly described and free of controversy.
-* To block the creation of stupid ribbons (the same ideas can still be [[Gratuitous Ribbon|Gratuitous Ribbons]]).
-* To ensure that newly created ribbons comply with naming conventions and are properly listed and categorized.
-* To make it easy for people to find out about new ribbons.
-* To save time on "we already talked about that and no one liked it" discussions.
-A couple of examples: One achievement that could have used such a process is the [[Speed racer achievement]], which to discourage lawbreaking, specifies that achievers must drive the speed limit, but is now controversial when there is no speed limit (Autobahn, unofficial road) or a very low speed limit. Meanwhile the [[First Geohasher]] award (now renamed the [[Earliest geohasher achievement]] because of this confusion) was originally intended for the purpose now served by the [[Virgin Graticule]] award, but was poorly defined and ended up meaning something else.
 ==Proposing a new achievement==
-Anyone can propose a new achievement. All they need to do is make a page for it, even if the page is a one line description of what the achievement should consist of. The page should be given only the category '''[[:Category:Proposed achievements|Proposed achievements]]'''. If someone has an idea but doesn't want to create a proposal page, they can put the idea on the talk page for this category and see if anyone else is intrigued enough to create a proposal.
+Anyone can propose a new achievement.
+# Create a new page (go to '''<nowiki>https://geohashing.site/geohashing/{achievement}</nowiki>''', replacing '''{achievement}''' with your achievement name).
+# Enter a description. The more detailed, the better. Try to be clear about questions such as:
+#* Is it required for the achiever to reach the geohash?
+#* What proof is required?
+#* Are there any special rules that restrict the geohasher's behaviour?
+# Use the [[Template:Ribbon]] to demonstrate what the ribbon may look like. The achievement does not need its own template at this stage, you can use the Ribbon template directly in the page.
+# Add the <nowiki>[[Category:Proposed achievements]]</nowiki> category, and no others.
+# Once you're happy with the proposal, click "Create this page".
+# Edit the [[Template:Proposed achievements]] page to add a link to your new achievement. Your entry should be ordered alphabetically.
+# Tell people about it. Perhaps this could be done in our Discord server, or by messaging people you know.
+# Keep a watch for comments from others, which may include suggestions on how to improve your proposal.
 ==Discussing a proposal==
-Others comment on the proposed achievement's talk page, or directly edit the proposed achievement, to flesh it out or to remove ambiguity. Those commenting should indicate whether they
+To discuss a proposed achievement, head to the talk page of the proposed achievement. If there isn't one, create it by clicking the "Discussion" tab at the top of the page.
+Add a comment as follows:
+* '''Support''' - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
+* '''Do not oppose''' - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
+* '''Oppose''' - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
+* '''Needs work''' - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made
+== Proposals: what not to do ==
-* '''Support''' the proposal - love it, like it, approve it, feel the sport will be better for its existence
+Avoid proposing achievements where:
-* '''Do not oppose''' - think it's a bit dumb, boring, meh, or of no personal interest, but won't hurt anything
-* '''Oppose''' - there is a specific stated reason why this ribbon should not exist
-* '''Needs work''' - this might be viable but has problems the way it is
-Valid reasons for rejection are
+* The activity proposed is illegal, offensive, intrinsically dangerous, or contrary to the spirit of geohashing. This means no achievements for theft, vandalism, rudeness, environmental damage, or anything similar.
-* The activity proposed is illegal, offensive, intrinsically dangerous, or contrary to the spirit of geohashing. That is, no achievements for theft, vandalism, rudeness, environmental damage or the like.
+* The ribbon is a subset of - or has a large overlap with - an existing ribbon, such that everyone who won one would win both.
-* The ribbon is a subset of, or has a large overlap with, an existing ribbon, such that everyone who won one would win both.
+* The ribbon is for a trivial activity that almost anyone could do at almost any geohash without significant preparation.
-* The ribbon is for a trivial activity that almost anyone could do at almost any geohash without preparation.
+* The ribbon cannot be earned across the globe. Achievements should not require geohashers to be located in a specific part of the world in order to earn it. This means a "geohash in Canada" achievement should not be made, but a "geohash near to a pub" could and [[Pub Geohash|has been made]].
-* The ribbon depends on the coordinates falling at some very specific place. Existing exceptions include [[Golf Geohash]], [[Restricted Area Geohash]] and [[Pub Geohash]]. Golf courses and restricted areas generally cover very large areas
 ==Passing the proposal stage==
-When the achievement
+When the achievement...
-* has been open for discussion for at least ten days
+* has been open for discussion for at least seven days
-* has a complete page including a ribbon
+* has a complete page, including a ribbon
 * has supporters from different graticules, and
-* is no longer opposed by anyone
+* no longer has any noteworthy opposition (meaning, opposition that has not been resolved or is reinforced by other geohashers)
-... then the '''Proposed achievement''' category is replaced by '''New achievement''' plus the page and template get proper categories and a listing in the appropriate section of the [[Achievements]] page.  The person who removes it from the Proposed achievements category shouldn't be the same person as the one who proposed it, to ensure real support.
+...the '''Proposed achievement''' category is replaced by the '''New achievement''' category, the page/template get proper categories, and a listing is made in the appropriate section of the [[Achievements]] page. The proposal is also removed from the [[Template:Proposed achievements]] page. To ensure real support, the person who finalises the achievement should not be the same as the one who proposed it, even if every vote is supportive. You can notify another user if you believe there is no reason for your proposal not to go ahead.
-If the ribbon celebrates a cool but specific and unlikely achievement that is not overly dependent on lucky coordinates, it may be left as "you achieve it, we'll make it." It would be really cool if ...
 ==Failing the proposal stage==
-If an achievement has strong opposition and the reasons for opposition are not resolved through discussion, then the '''Proposed achievements''' category is replaced with the '''Rejected achievements''' category, the reason explained succinctly on the page, and the page otherwise marked to make sure it isn't confused with an achievements page.
+If an achievement has a large volume of opposition and the reasons for this opposition are not resolved through discussion, then the '''Proposed achievements''' category is replaced with the '''Rejected achievements''' category, the reason explained succinctly on the page, and the page otherwise marked to make sure it isn't confused with an achievements page. The proposal is also removed from the [[Template:Proposed achievements]] page and added to the [[Template:Rejected achievements]] page.
-==Falling into limbo==
-Proposed achievements that receive neither support nor opposition will fall into limbo and remain in the proposed achievements category forever, or until someone resurrects them just as they do now, but they will be more easily identified.
-I hope this process will ensure that new ribbons are unique, celebrate the spirit of geohashing, require some effort or ability on the part of the geohasher, are achievable in different parts of the world, and be fun. It isn't much more than a codification of what is already happening in the good cases, with [[Boats are for sissies! achievement]] being an example of a proposal that was rejected for too much overlap and the [[Tron achievement]] to find wide support.
 ==Templates==
-The template [[:Template:Proposal talk]] puts a link to the talk page if it is on a main page, or asks for comments below if it is already on a talk page.
+The template [[:Template:Proposal talk]] adds a link to the talk page if it is on a main page. If it is already on a talk page, it asks for comments to be written below.
 {{Template:Proposal talk}}
-The template [[:Template:Rejected]] puts a message box on the page, detailing the reasons for rejection and adding the page to the respective category
+The template [[:Template:Rejected]] puts a message box on the page, details the reasons for rejection, and adds the page to the respective category.
 {{Template:Rejected|reason = it was too good to be true}}
-For proposals that have fallen into limbo for a considerable time, you might want to add the following [[:Template:Limbo|template]]:
+== Background: why? ==
+We need this system:
+* To preserve good ideas and get them turned into ribbons if their proposers don't know how.
+* To ensure that every new achievement is well-thought-out, clearly described, and free of controversy.
+* To block the creation of silly ribbons (the same ideas can still be used as [[Gratuitous Ribbon|gratuitous ribbons]]).
+* To ensure that newly created ribbons comply with the naming conventions and are properly listed and categorized.
+* To make it easy for people to find out about new ribbons.
+* To save time on "we already talked about that and no one liked it" discussions.
+One achievement that could have used such a process is the [[Speed racer achievement]], which to discourage lawbreaking, specifies that achievers must drive the speed limit, but is now controversial where there is either no speed limit (Autobahn, unofficial road) or a very low speed limit. Another achievement, the [[First Geohasher]] award - now renamed the [[Earliest geohasher achievement]] because of this confusion - was originally intended for the purpose now served by the [[Graticule Unlocked]] award, but was poorly defined and ended up being interpreted differently.
-{{Template:Limbo|open = * no one has ever cast a vote.}}
+{{proposed achievements}}
+{{rejected achievements}}