Talk:Boats are for sissies! achievement

This is a proposal made on 2009-04-10. Please leave comments and suggestions below, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

• Support - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
• Do not oppose - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
• Oppose - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
• Needs work - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made

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Why is this on a page by itself with no expedition or user? You don't need to pre-create a gratuitous ribbon, just put it straight on the pages you want it on. It doesn't need a page, because it doesn't have requirements. Is this intended as a proposal for a new achievement? -Robyn 16:06, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. I didn't mean it to be gratuitous, it's just that no one has done it/claimed it yet. I'll change the template to use template:ribbon, instead of template:gratuitous ribbon. -- Jevanyn 18:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

As it's a proposal for a new achievement, it should stay in the proposed achievements category and not get its own until it's been discussed at least a little bit. I think a swimming to the geohash achievement is a good idea, but it's not a complete achievement yet. For example, I think swimming with a life jacket on is weird, but being accompanied by someone in a spotter boat would be a good idea in many places. Swimming in a wetsuit is necessary to not die of hypothermia in cold climates, and should be allowed in warm ones, even though that also lends flotation.

Can I claim it for my WOW expeditions? (I think I can, but I don't think I should be able to.) --starbird 02:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Relet, why did you "undo" my comment? I said, as the history shows: Yeah, you'd better specify the physical state of the water! And is wading acceptable? For that matter, everyone who gets this will almost certainly also get the underwater geohash, so do we need this as well as that one and the WoW? -Robyn 04:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Not intentionally. Was there an editing conflict? -- relet 20:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The water geohash achievement already has a mode of transportation parameter. I don't think that not using a boat justifies a non-gratuitous achievement. Especially not if the achievement allows using a boat and swimming the last ten meters to the hash. -- relet 08:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, 10m is pretty short. 100m? How about, if you take a boat to the geohash, you have to swim to shore, or swim out to a boat that's at the hash already. If it's less than 100m from land, you're not allowed a boat at all. -- Jevanyn 13:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

But boats are for sissies. The requirements are contradicting the spirit of the achievement. If you can't swim 1 km to a hashpoint, don't take the ribbon. I think it's a neat idea, but doesn't deserve its own achievement (yet). Nobody's ever even claimed an underwater geohash, and that achievement is easier to get. --ilpadre 14:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, if you can swim, you should also be able to dive for a few metres and make it an underwater geohash. So the underwater hash covers that pretty well, if someone seriously thinks the water hash isn't enough for him or her. --Ekorren 21:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should consider the risks associated with this. Of course the usual disclaimer applies, but I don't think we should encourage swimming long distances in unknown waters. DNO --The ru 10:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose. for lack of actual swimming/underwater expeditions. -- relet 20:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

No need to apologize. I oppose it too, as is, because it overlaps completely with WoW, and contradicts itself as Ekorren pointed out. -Robyn 07:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Support. I don't see how it overlaps with WoW, at least not in spirit. It's for swimming there. We have an award for riding, why not swimming? I also think that just because it hasn't been attempted doesn't mean there shouldn't be an achievement, I think that's a reason to make it one, as it encourages people to try to do awesome things. It needs work, I guess, but I like it. -- UnwiseOwl 08:08, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

DNO. I think that it should specifically exclude the use of any water vehicles, except by others nearby for safety/spotting purposes. I see this being the water equivalent of the walk geohash. It seems to me that the WOW achievement is primarily for frozen ponds and the like, while this is specifically for swimming. We DO have an underwater hash now, and though a person who swims should be able to easily get the underwater, not all underwater would qualify for this. I think it might be better to wait until someone actually tries to do this before we actually make it an achievement, though.