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Location

The hash is located on the Eibsee, a rather large mountain lake within of the Zugspitz mountain range, just below the highest peak in Germany.

Links:

Transport there

The Eibsee can be reached by bus or rack railway (schedule, pdf). Bayern-Tickets are probably valid on the bus, but not on the rack railway.

The website of the Zugspitzbahn tells me that the Bayern-Ticket is o.k. on the rack railway from Garmisch-Partenkirchen to Grainau, leaving only the last part (one station from Grainau to Eibsee) for which we'd have to get an extra ticket. It's in the FAQ section, I could find this part in German only. --Zb 07:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The Zugspitzbahn is a narrow gauge mountain railway which goes up to the highest peak of Germany. From the station of Grainau up it's running as a rack railway. Tickets to the peak are 42 EUR round trip, but tickets until Eibsee (which is already well into the rack railway part) are much cheaper, probably around 5 EUR one way.

The rack railway's website is a major annoyance. I could find out that Bayern tickets are o.k. on the part from Garmisch to Grainau, but it seems impossible to find out how much the fare for the one station from Grainau to Eibsee is. Does anyone know? --Zb 07:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Timetables

Attention, all y'all: SEV! (I guess there ain't no good translation for words as truly German as Schienenersatzverkehr... but maybe shi#y exceptional vehicle counts?) There is construction work going on along the rail tracks between Tutzing and Weilheim. Trains do not run there and are substituted by buses. Please make sure you check the online schedules on DB's website because they take the extra buses into account! Please note that bikes are probably not an option because they may not be taken onto the buses (or only very few bikes may be allowed)! --Zb 20:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen that, and decided against bringing my bike (which would be of no use anyway, because the BZB gets us right up to the lake). --dawidi 20:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Kayaks or other large things may also be a major problem on SEV buses! --Zb 20:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

From nearly everywhere

It seems that most of you change trains in München on the way to Garmisch, and that there are schedules including a train leaving München at 9:12am, and other schedules including a train leaving München at 10:12am. Maybe we want to vote?

I don't really think it's about voting here. Of the people currently interested, the Würzburg people have the longest way and the least options, so their schedule sets the time. It's only about where the others want to wait for them.
Well, the idea really wasn't about creating simple majorities and then telling those who come from Würzburg that they just have bad luck. What I wanted to do is find out if it's possible to not only share the Eibsee, but also a train ride that's part of the fun. If reaching the 9:12 train is impossible from Würzburg, this is just an encouragement for everyone else to consider joining the Würzburg crew along their way in München or Pasing or Weilheim. We might even figure out how to put as many folks as possible on our Bayern-Tickets (5 max for each ticket).
  • Schedules including the train arriving in Garmisch-Partenkirchen at 10:57am (RB 30611; leaving München Hbf at 9:12)
    • o.k. for zb, acceptable for and two possible drag-along geohashers.
    • no problem from Regensburg
    • impossible to reach from Würzburg
    • reachable from Tübingen at München-Pasing (better place to join is Weilheim)
  • Schedules including the train arriving in Garmisch-Partenkirchen at 11:57am (RB5417; leaving München Hbf at 10:12)
    • o.k. for zb, preferred by two possible drag-along geohashers.
    • no problem from Regensburg
    • possible from Würzburg to join at München
    • possible from Tübingen to join at München Hbf (better place to join is Weilheim or even Garmisch-Partenkirchen)

After trying to figure out everyone's options, I think we might build our schedules along the way of RB5417 and meet somewhere on this train? --Zb 08:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC) 

+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
| Bahnhof                           |  Ankunft  |  Abfahrt  |  Zug     |
+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
| München Hbf Gl.27-36              |           |      10:12|  RB  5417|
| München-Pasing                    |      10:18|      10:19|          |
| Tutzing                           |      10:39|           |          |
+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
| Tutzing                           |           |      10:46|  Bus  SEV|
| Weilheim(Oberbay)                 |      11:06|           |          |
+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
| Weilheim(Oberbay)                 |           |      11:11|  RB  5417|
| Huglfing                          |      11:18|      11:19|  R   5417|
| Uffing a Staffelsee               |      11:24|      11:25|          |
| Murnau                            |      11:29|      11:30|          |
| Ohlstadt                          |      11:37|      11:37|          |
| Eschenlohe                        |      11:42|      11:42|          |
| Oberau                            |      11:48|      11:49|          |
| Garmisch-Partenkirchen            |      11:57|      12:04|          |
+-----------------------------------+-----------+-----------+----------+
  • The Würzburg crew might join in München Hbf?
  • Travellers from Regensburg might also join in München Hbf?
  • Geohaschers from Tübingen might join in Weilheim at 11:11?
  • zb and two others plan to join in München Hbf.

From Würzburg

local traffic

  • Start at Würzburg 6:41 , arrival at Treuchtlingen 8:30
  • continuing at 8:35 (5 minutes), arrival at Augsburg 9:30
  • continuing at 9:51 , arrival at Weilheim 11:16
  • continuing at 12:11 , arrival at Garmisch-P. 12:56
  • Bus from Garmisch 13:04 arrives at the Eibsee at 13:45
Why not 5:31 and be there an hour earlier? The more time to explore the area, the better. --Ekorren 17:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

That would be:

  • Start at Würzburg 5:31, arrival at Treuchtlingen 7:30
  • continuing at 7:35, arrival at München 9:34
  • continuing at 10:12, arrival at Weilheim 11:06
  • continuing at 11:11, Garmisch 11:57
  • Bus 12:14 arrives 12:55


Return:

  • Bus at 17:10 arrives at Garmisch 17:51
  • Train at 18:04 arrives at Weilheim 18:49
  • continue at 18:53 (4 minutes), arrival at Augsburg 20:09
  • then either continue at 20:28, arrival at Treuchtlingen 21:20, continue at 22:25, arrival at Würzburg 0:06
  • or visit Augsburg hashpoint (might still be too far), continue at 21:18, arrival at Nürnberg 22:25, continue at 23:35, arrival at Würzburg 0:56

ICE

(by srs0?) I'm sure the above way is probably cheaper, but I have surgery at 06:30 Monday morning, so arriving home past midnight isn't an option for me. Here's my idea from Würzburg:

  • Start at Würzburg at 08:31, arrival at München at 10:41 (ICE 581)
  • Continuing at 11:12, arrival at Tutzing at 11:39 (RB 30613)
  • Continuing at 11:46, arrival at Weilheim(Oberbay) at 12:06 (Bus)
  • Continuing at 12:11, same as above from here.

38.00 euro with a BahnCard50


Return:

  • Same to Weilheim(Oberbay)
  • Continuing at 18:54, arrival at Tutzing at 19:14 (Bus)
  • Continuing at 19:20, arrival at München at 19:48 (RB 5424)
  • Continuing at 20:20, arrival at Würzburg at 22:35 (ICE 780)

38.00 euro with BahnCard50. (Round trip 76 euro each with BahnCard50.)

So much less time in transit, and I can hopefully get a couple hours more of sleep before my surgery. So Danatar/thepiguy, would you be open to taking that instead? --srs0?

You could also part from the group for the ICE part alone, only pay for that extra, and join the group ticket for the rest of the trip. --Ekorren 17:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the second version was by me (srs0). Also, since I don't actually know any of the plans yet (and asking thepiguy resulted in "I don't know, I'm not doing any of the planning"), what's the transportation outline? Ekorren mentioned a group ticket, so I assume that means the idea was to buy a 5-person ticket and use that? If so, I'll gladly pay for the ICE part and connection myself and re-join with the group in Weilheim. -Srs0 18:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the plan definitely would be a Bayern-Ticket for all of you. If someone has some leftoevr money to throw away, I'll gladly take it because for me it's going to be much more expensive as I need to come from Baden-Württemberg and probably alone. I was about to cancel the idea because of that. --Ekorren 18:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I vote for leave earlier for more time at the lake! 2km in a foot powered paddle boat is going to be hard... Thepiguy 18:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I vote for the current schedules, as I need the rest. Normally I wouldn't care about lack of sleep, but right now I have to. -Srs0 18:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the difference in lack of sleep is so much significant because of starting one hour earlier or later, while the difference in the time available at the destination is really significant because it's short enough already. We could aim at being back at a station an hour earlier and in case something goes wrong fall back to the original timetable, and otherwise see what to do with the time. --Ekorren 18:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I hesitate to say that, but... as great as it would be to have you in the party, I'm not so sure whether it is a good idea to do that trip with a broken wrist. I definitely wouldn't have done it after my accident last year. If something happens, you might get in trouble with your insurance. --Ekorren 18:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I guess he's talking about lack of sleep AFTER the expedition, before surgery, and he has a point there. We could use local trains for the way to the hashpoint and split up on the way back (srs0 ICE, rest local trains). For me the ICE is too expensive, since I don't have a BahnCard and it would cost me 150 Euros (180 if I buy a BahnCard). There should be no insurance problem with the arm, since it is in the cast and we'll take care of it. Sitting at home versus in the train should make no difference. - Danatar 18:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
We can all take the local at 5:31, which gets us to the lake around 12:30, and then me and srs0 can take the ICE back. Thepiguy 20:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

From Tübingen

Earliest possible connection to Eibsee:

Tübingen 4:21

Plochingen 512/536

Ulm 644/723

Augsburg 833/851

Weilheim 1006/1011

Garmisch-Partenkirchen 1057/1115 Zugspitzbahn (or by bus)

Eibsee station 1145

Several reroutings and later connections are possible.

Latest connection back:

Eibsee station 1715 Zugspitzbahn

Garmisch-Partenkirchen 1750/1804

Reutte in Tirol (Austria) 1859/1917

Kempten 2036/2049

Ulm 2159/2210

Plochingen 2321/2344

Tübingen 023

or:

Garmisch-Partenkirchen 1804

Weilheim(Obb) 1849/1853

Augsburg 2009/2025

Ulm 2140 (and on as above)


From Regensburg

I'm looking at these connections: 

+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
| Bahnhof                 |   An   |   Ab   | Zug Nr.  | Bemerkungen    |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
| Regensburg Hbf          |        |  06:43 | RE 32053 |FB EH 3T        |
| München Hbf             |  08:16 |        | Fußweg   | 10 Min.        |
| München Hbf Gl.27-36    |        |  09:12 | RB 30611 |FB EZ           |
| Tutzing                 |  09:39 |  09:46 | Bus  SEV |1. FB SV        |
| Weilheim(Oberbay)       |  10:06 |  10:11 | RB 30611 |FB EZ           |
| Garmisch-Partenkirchen  |  10:57 |        | Fußweg   | 4 Min.         |
| Zugspitzbahnhof, Garmis |        |  11:15 | ZahnR    |2:              |
| Zugspitzbahn, Grainau-E |  11:45 |        |          |                |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
| Zugspitzbahn, Grainau-E |        |  16:15 | ZahnR    |2:              |
| Zugspitzbahnhof, Garmis |  16:50 |        | Fußweg   | 4 Min.         |
| Garmisch-Partenkirchen  |        |  17:04 | RB 30640 |FB EZ           |
| Weilheim(Oberbay)       |  17:49 |  17:54 | Bus  SEV |1. FB SV        |
| Tutzing                 |  18:14 |  18:20 | RB 30640 |FB EZ           |
| München Hbf Gl.27-36    |  18:48 |        | Fußweg   | 10 Min.        |
| München Hbf             |        |  19:44 | RE  4262 |BQ FB EH 3T     |
| Regensburg Hbf          |  21:22 |        |          |                |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+
| Zugspitzbahn, Grainau-E |        |  17:15 | ZahnR    |2:              |
| Zugspitzbahnhof, Garmis |  17:50 |        | Fußweg   | 4 Min.         |
| Garmisch-Partenkirchen  |        |  18:04 | RB  5424 |FB EZ           |
| Weilheim(Oberbay)       |  18:49 |  18:54 | Bus  SEV |1. FB SV        |
| Tutzing                 |  19:14 |  19:20 | RB  5424 |FB EZ           |
| München Hbf Gl.27-36    |  19:48 |        | Fußweg   | 10 Min.        |
| München Hbf             |        |  20:43 | ALX37986 |FB BT A8        |
| Regensburg Hbf          |  22:11 |        |          |                |
+-------------------------+--------+--------+----------+----------------+

That would be me and maybe Tomcat and Hans too. --dawidi 19:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

From München

In case I join in, my schedule would be included in almost all of the above. Leave München at 9:12 or at 10:12 both sound like good options for me. I know some of you have a trip quite longer than mine, but for me, 9:12 would be o.k. --Zb 20:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Ticket organisation

  • Bayern-Tickets are 20 EUR for one and 28 EUR for 5 people, and valid on the bus and parts of the BZB.
  • Schönes-Wochenende-Ticket is 37 EUR for 5 people, but probably not valid on bus and BZB.
  • Tickets have one holder, who must keep it all the time. The rest of the group may change (with small precautions)

So, how many people come from where, and using which tickets?

  • Würzburg: x people, 1 Bayern-Ticket (holder: Danatar), 5-x places still free
  • Regensburg: y people, 1 Bayern-Ticket (holder: Dawidi?), 5-y places still free
  • Tübingen: 1 person, various options: either Wochenendticket (with 4 places free, 37 EUR, but not valid on BZB and bus); or Baden-Württemberg- and Bayern-Ticket for one person (39 EUR, no places free, or 47 with 4 places free). Depends on whether there are free places on the other Bayern-Tickets for the bus/BZB part. Joining another group for the ticket would only be cheaper if someone reroutes via Ulm or Neu-Ulm.
  • München: ? Own tickets or joining others? Only the Regensburg group goes via München both directions.
    • Thanks for starting to figure this out, Ekorren. dawidi (and his fellows) and me (and my fellows) will be able to figure things out once we meet on the platform in München, I suggest. --Zb 08:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC) -- oh, and I just noticed that some decisions depend on us having free unused places on our tickets. I'll be able to say for sure tonight, maybe the same for dawidi? --zb
The sooner the better, as I'd like to plan out my ICE trip(s) as soon as I can. If you have a spare place on the tickets, I'll probably take the ICE both ways, as I want to save as much time as possible tomorrow. Regardless, I'll be taking the ICE home. -Srs0 08:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I might not know how many people will come with me (and thus how many free places there are on my/our ticket) until early morning tomorrow, so Zb may have to adjust his ticket-buying plans based on what I post then. (Since you don't have to get up as early, that should be ok.) --dawidi 08:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Dawidi, this sounds good to me. I guess it's reasonable to meet you and Srs0 in München and just find out what's best for me to do.
Srs0, if I read your plans right, you on ICE trains means you go through München both ways as well? As far as I can say at this time, it'll either be just me or me+2. It seems to be the same for dawidi: him, him+1 or him+2. Either way, it seems very likeley that we have an extra place on one of our tickets, so I suggest you get your ICE ticket to München (and back from there) anyway and we'll find a good way to share tickets from München to Eibsee. --Zb 09:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Weather

The forecast says that rain and T'storms are likely until noon on Sunday, with improving conditions in the afternoon. Those who consider a hike around the lake or further up in the mountains should be prepared and use appropriate care. Swimming or being on the water during T'storms is no option, but it definitely should not keep us from going and finding out what it looks like tomorrow. --Zb 07:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Other stuff

How warm would the water be this time of year? Warm enough for say... swimming? Thepiguy 19:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably very cold. --Ekorren 19:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Crap. Too late to back out now. Anyone a life guard? I"m not sure if I remember how to swim. Thepiguy 20:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Have you seen the pedal boats with the slip'n'slide on the back, dude? --Zb 20:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Is that what "Rutschenboot" is? OMG! DONE! 92.226.150.183 20:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Affirmative. --Zb 21:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
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