Talk:Curse of Unawareness
Does this mean that if I can prove I've been there, it counts as a successful expedition? --Ilpadre 10:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
- IMHO: no, because it's still no geohashing expedition. You need to be there on purpose and aware of the coordinates. But if that ever happens to you, we'll all happily read about your proof. --Ekorren 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Retro unawareness
A discussion just came up about two more unresolved points with this consolation prize:
- a) If you visited the coordinates on the right day, but before Dow opening, so that the coordinates were not available at that time, does it still count?
- b) Does this extend to days before publication of the algorithm, so that there actually wasn't any point to be unaware of because geohashing in itself didn't exist at that time?
My own opinion:
a) yes, for sake of fairness. In some timezones it would be impossible otherwise on weekdays for dates before 30W introduction)
b) undecided. Could even be made into a consolation prize of its own (Prophets Geohash?)
--Ekorren 21:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I almost did it.
I was biking on the Virginia Creeper Trail this past Saturday and would have been about half a mile to a mile from the next day's point...had I known and had it been the next day. - Oracle989
Categorization
Meetup pages for curses of unawareness are currently categorized inconsistantly.
Are they expeditions? I agree with Ekorren's comment from above that they are not expeditions, one has to be aware in order for it to count as an expedition.
I'm noticing that there are two types of curse pages: There is a difference between "I drove right through it" and "I drove 100 meters past it, but it would have been so easy to get out and reach it". I would argue that the former (where only awareness is missing) belong into Category:Coordinates reached - Did not attempt, while the latter (where both awareness and a minimal detour are missing) belong into Category:Not reached - Did not attempt. I would also argue that neither belong into Category:Coordinates reached nor Category:Coordinates not reached, since those are for expeditions.
Thoughts? --Fippe (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- It can certainly be done like this for consistency, but it seems pretty weird that a page could belong in Coordinates reached - Did not attempt, but not in Coordinates reached – though I guess that's the fault of imprecise category names.
- Also worth noting that Curse of Awareness stands in the Consolation Prizes section on the Achievements list, where it says that "you are unable to reach the correct location" and "you must get out there and make the attempt" to get the prize, neither of which apply to the curse. --π π π (talk) 10:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mmm.. as a general rule I would say it's not an expedition if there was no purpose to go after a hash, but there can be of course special cases, regarding the consolation prize. This comes to mind: 2013-10-19_40_0 had they inadvertently driven over the hash could they have claimed Curse of unawareness besides blinded by science? I think so. The intention to go after a hash is there and we all agree that is a valid expedition.
- By the example I mean that an expedition with the curse, can be a valid expedition. What should define if an expedition is one or not, regardless of consolation prizes, maybe it certainly is if there was an intention (or awareness) to go after a hash. How we should differently categorize these pages that I am not sure. Maybe they should not belong to Coordinates reached/Coordinates not reached. --SastRe.O (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that this 2013 expedition would still be an expedition if they had accidentally reached the coordinates while not being aware of the fact, since they were trying to get there at the time. There are a few more special cases. For example there is 2019-06-28 42 -85, where one geohasher went on an expedition and reached the coordinates, while another reached them unknowingly. That one should definitely be in the category for the expeditions.
- But special cases aside, I now went through the category for the curses and retagged the pages in there. --Fippe (talk) 21:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
