Talk:Ski Geohash

This is a proposal made on 2009-05-19. Please leave comments and suggestions below, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

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Votes

• Expand the description of the achievement to address the issues discussed [...] and I will support the achievement. --Robyn 05:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
• ...skiing is unique enough that I support it. --ilpadre 17:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
• Needs work (but I like it) -- relet 12:41, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
• I Support it. -- Flashbullzeye 6:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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Discussion

• Muahaha! That's awesome. Needs more lawyering though. Do the skis have to be worn for any portion of the trip, or at all? i.e. Could someone get this achievement by simply carrying a pair of skis to the geohash? By skiing two metres? By carrying a pair of child's skis and not even having any ski boots? Do you have to have poles? Clearly the intention of the achievement has someone walking out the door in cross country ski boots, carrying his skis, then putting the skis on as soon as he has passed the salted urban streets and sidewalks. But if someone in Florida decides he's going to get this achievement (which you have to admit is in the spirit of geohashing), what's the minimum he can do? I'd say, for example, that the person has to wear ski boots that fit the skis (hmm, if someone only has downhill ski equipment, can they carry their boots and skis?). What about snowboards? -Robyn 15:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• Of course they should be used, not just carried. It's hard to come up with any specific number, though. Maybe at least half the distance has to be on skiis, the rest on foot? I don't think there should be any ski boot requirement, it depends on the binding system. The simplest kind (the one I use myself, and also the swedish army) is just a strap around the heel, so any kind of shoe can be used. In Sweden we have the annual ski race Vasaloppet, about 90 km. Then there's this one guy that does the same distance, on skis, in the summer. Florida residents are more than welcome to attempt this. :-) This achievement should probably also include rollerskis, with the same conditions. Maybe I should also point out that even when I have used skis on most of my expeditions, none of them are valid for this achievement since I didn't start skiing from my home. If it would be approved, it would be something for me and others to strive for, to get to those rare hashpoints that are almost within comfortable skiing distance. --The ru 17:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. All the cross country skis I have used need special boots with an extended flat piece in front of the toe, that clamps into the ski binding. Expand the description of the achievement to address the issues discussed above and I will support the achievement. -Robyn 05:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Even though I'd oppose creating achievements for every thinkable mode of human-powered transportation, skiing is unique enough that I support it. --ilpadre 17:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you will also need to clarify the walk geohash, which doesn't mention skis at all, but skiing seems to be within the spirit of that achievement. Can you claim both in one expedition? Is a ski hash a subcategory of walk hash, even? -- Benjw 17:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Skis make walking in snow easier, so they invalidate a walk hash. If you "duct tape two-by-fours to your feet" and walk to a Florida geohash, you may claim both. --ilpadre 18:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

But snowshoes, which also make walking in snow easier, are explicitly allowed in the walk achievement. As are crutches and wheelchairs, which make walking with a broken leg easier.  :-) At the moment the walk achievement "can be claimed when you reach a geohash completely on foot ...", which seems to me to include skiing. -- Benjw 18:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the current walk achievement would cover a Skihash. Seeing as it wouldn't affect anyone's current achievements, I would have no problem editing the Walk Geohash achievement to note that if you obey all the other rules of the Walk Geohash, but use skis for more than half (or whatever is decided to be the requirement for the Skihash) of the distance, you invalidate the walk achievement and instead receive the Ski Geohash achievement. Perhaps the foundering Boats are for sissies! achievement could be saved by having it specify that the water has to be liquid, and that means of locomotion that involve walking to the geohash invalidate it. -Robyn 18:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Needs work (but I like it) a) What about summer skis on wheels ah, they're covered already. But if you allow summer skis - what's with short summer skis? They are called inline skates. And what about roller skates? b) and will my longboard count as a cross country summer monoski? (Yes, it is designed for long distance travels and I have done 60km trips in the past.) Or would that justify another similar achievement?

Erm.. how about making it a Gliding or Skating achievement? -- relet 21:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

How about making it an upgrade to the walk hash achievement, a la the Maker and Macgyver achievements? Piggy back this on to the end of the Walk hash and say if they travel on skis for x% of the trip, it's a Ski Hash? I Support it. -- Flashbullzeye 6:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)