Talk:Free Culture Achievement

• oppose - too easy. I do this on almost every hash. -- relet 12:11, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

• needs work - I agree with relet, however there is a Land geohash achievement, so... And maybe it would be a good motivation for some geohashers to look at open source ? Also, I think the definition must be more precise, eg my N810 runs Linux but comes with proprietary map software. Does it count if I use it to reach a hashpoint ? --Crox 23:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - I don't see the achievement in this. Either you do it anyway, or you won't do it for the achievement. The latter may well be because you simply do not own any of those gadgets, and don't need them, so prefer to not spend the money to buy one. So, in the end this achievement is about showing off your costly possessions, not about making an expedition any more interesting or creating additional hardships. If you don't base it on owning/using a specific class of mobile electronic device, it would end up in getting that achievement for using the coordinates of the day, since they were created with open-source software; or an OSM printout. You can't be serious about calling that an achievement. --Ekorren 10:46, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

• needs work - Okay, some good points here. I agree that it isn't the hardest achievement, but let's face it, not all achievements (either geohashing or not) are meant to be massively hard. Like it was said, we have the land geohashing achievement. Its not about grinding achievements, but more about "doing something". Furthermore, geohashing is based, at its core, on xkcd. xkcd makes multiple reference to free culture, thus it could be in the spirit of both a community and the comic itself to have such an achievement. Also, about the comment regarding the achievement being "about showing off your costly possessions, not about making an expedition any more interesting or creating additional hardships" - isn't a GPS costly anyway? No, the idea of free culture, especially as Stallman envisions it, is to promote freedoms of liberty. That anyone should be able to access something, change, modify, and share it freely. I do however, strongly agree that the nature of the achievement as it is is a little...simplistic. Perhaps the object should be portable and actually travel with the hasher (so, using given examples Crox's N810 would count, but simply looking up the map wouldn't). Maybe someone has some other ideas. Even if it changes to a considerable degree, I personally think its in the theme of xkcd to have some sort of reference to free culture. --1337-1

• The land achievement is part of an achievement system which allows to classify each location as either land, water or air, and basically has the purpose to encourage newbies by ensuring that their first expedition also yields their first ribbon. It's more like a "First successful geohash" ribbon, and it serves that purpose well.
• There is no GPS achievement, although using a GPS is neither obligatory nor needed. Especially there is no "GPS of a specific brand" achievement.
• I can't see how carrying a costly mobile device of a specific kind promotes freedom of liberty. Switching your everyday home usage, i.e. your PC, away from M$ or Apple, refusing to use any kind of DRM restricted content, using OSM instead of google maps, mapping out the area you go to and contributing corrections to OSM when back home, definitely serves the content of your idea better than carrying some kind of device, whatever that is.
• Achievements are meant to encourage the "Do something different today" aspect, to encourage doing expeditions that are more interesting although a little difficult, at places which you wouldn't probably go to otherwise. The achievement you propose here does not serve that purpose in any way. It is just "I own that device, so here's my ribbon", or "I don't own it, so here's no ribbon". Your idea is not about "doing something" as you claim. It's about owning.

So, IMHO your argument can basically be boiled down to "I WANT TO SEE THAT REFERENCE!!!!1", and maybe "I want to have another ribbon for myself". It's an idea on the search of an achievement, but for now, the search has failed. --Ekorren 11:12, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose precisely because of the reasons Ekorren gave... --HiroProtagonist 17:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - pointless and hard to define what the actual achievement is --The ru 09:02, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - Ekorren says it perfectly. -Robyn 04:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - I am a big fan of open source stuff. I use it at home, my phone has it, and I develop on it at work. However, I feel the same way as Ekorren for this achievement. --aperfectring 05:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment - Easily done with an Android Phone (and OpenStreetMap)

• Meh -- I thought it had something to do with freecycling. Jevanyn 16:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)