Gratuitous ribbons for proposed achievement

I would (and you could) like to create this place as a workshop to propose certain gratuitous ribbons to become real achievements. The criteria are, of course, the same as for real achievements.

• The gratuitous ribbon should have been claimed by several people in the past, proving that it is interesting.
• The achievement should be generic enough to be achievable for any geohasher worldwide.
• The achievement proposal should include well-defined criteria.
• The achievement should further the spirit of geohashing. (All that is good, geeky, amazingly random or randomly amazing).
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This page may be considered as a first stage to see if other people agree on ribbons becoming achievements, without having to create a proposed achievement page for every single one. They may, of course, evolve later on on their own pages, before actually becoming achievements.

Feel free to add new achievements to this list, or express your support and doubts.

Democracy achievement (and consolation prize)

This is a proposal made on 2009-09-28. Please leave comments and suggestions on Talk:Gratuitous ribbons for proposed achievement, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

• Support - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
• Do not oppose - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
• Oppose - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
• Needs work - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made

See Proposed achievements for more information on this process.

Ribbon

Zb and Baerenfell earned the Democracy Geohash Achievement by going voting on the way to the (47, 10) geohash on 2009-06-07.

Definition

• The geohasher must have cast a vote on the day of the expedition
• The geohasher doesn't need to have reached the hash point, but shown significant effort towards reaching it.
• The vote must require physical presence (letter or e-voting on the same day just doesn't cut it)
• The vote must be of significant political importance (well, as far as that usually goes. But that's usually the kind of vote requiring physical presence among the other criteria for a free and democratic vote.)
• Proof: No picture of the voting ballot. :P Pictures of the voting booth are welcome.

Support

• support - I would like to encourage people to use their citizen rights. It's a physical achievement. And all the problems involved in voting, fairness and possible manipulation will appeal to any security/mathematics/sociology geek out there. -- relet 15:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
• support - Koepfel _talk 19:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
• support I like the idea of encouraging people to go both voting and geohashing! --HiroProtagonist 13:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
• Needs work I don't want to see letter voting banned (see below) --Ekorren 20:27, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Elaborate comments

• There is also the consolation prize for people who did not go hashing, because they thought voting was more important. I would like to include this on the achievement page as well. I just don't think that consolation prizes need the same conflict-free, elaborate approval process as achievements do. ;) -- relet 15:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
• An alternative would be to "arrange" for the hashpoint on that day to be in a voting station... SteveL 18:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
• I remember that, in order to go to the Eibsee expedition (on the Sunday of the European parliament election) without forfeiting my vote, I (and ekorren and dawidi, too) raced to the town hall on Friday shortly before they closed to get papers for letter voting. I'd like to include something like that as valid for future democracy ribbons. - Danatar 08:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
• I'm with Danatar here. The achievement here is making it possible to do both voting and hashing although they might get in each others way (time-wise, at least); no matter how this was accomplished. Letter voting past hash o'clock on friday requires physical presence as well, btw. You can't send them in any more at that time but have to run to the town hall to get the papers, and another time to hand them in. Apart from that, I think a gratuitous ribbon is sufficient. So: Needs work for now, may be changed to do not oppose depending how it turns out. --Ekorren 08:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

• I will leave the proposal as it is for now. I do not see how you could include other forms of voting (if you accept letter voting, then e-voting is just as acceptable) into this proposal without losing any time constraint. And (this being my personal opinion) I do not wish to encourage letter voting. -- relet 20:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

• There's the point: I don't see a reason to add an entirely artificial time constraint. IMHO the actual achievement/challenge is to combine both if they could get into each others way, no matter how this is achieved. --Ekorren 20:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

• Even though it would preclude me from getting this achievement, I would seek to make letter/e-voting not be a part of it. Here in Oregon, there is no on-day voting, you must vote through letter ballot. --aperfectring 23:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

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Celebrity achievement

This is a proposal made on 2009-09-29. Please leave comments and suggestions on Talk:Gratuitous ribbons for proposed achievement, indicating your thoughts on the proposal, including:

• Support - you think this proposal should be added with zero or minor changes
• Do not oppose - you think it's boring/meh/not for you, but it wouldn't harm to have it created
• Oppose - you have a specific reason as to why this ribbon should not exist (state this reasoning in your comment)
• Needs work - you think the achievement should be created after more significant changes have been made

See Proposed achievements for more information on this process.

Ribbon

Yerushalmi and his wife earned the Celebrity Geohash achievement by meeting a guy in a monkey suit on the way to the (31, 34) geohash on 2009-08-16.

Definition

• The geohasher must have met a celebrity on the way to or from the hashpoint
• The celebrity in question must meet a certain minimum definition of fame (I'm open to suggestions of how to define it. Perhaps a page on Wikipedia about them? That might be too broad. Though it would neatly cover the "who gives a damn about movie stars, I want to meet Cory Doctorow" attitude most of us share.)
• The amount of contact needs to be defined as well. Is it enough if you spot them through a crowd? Say hi? Shake hands? I'd assume "going to a concert before going to the hashpoint" shouldn't count.

Support

• Needs work - I wouldn't want to support it until there is a clear definition of celebrity. -- relet 15:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
• Needs work for the same reason - missing useful definition. Tendency to oppose because earlier discussions on IRC showed that it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to find a satisfying definition. --Ekorren 20:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Elaborate comments

• After claiming the gratuitous ribbon for my particular case, that provided the inspiration for proposing an actual achievement for it. My claiming it was deliberately tongue-in-cheek, because it was a guy in a stuffed animal suit (not unlike meeting a guy in a Mickey Mouse suit); I'll change it to Radio Yerevan or something if the achievement gets approved. The achievement obviously needs a lot of work, though, in order to come up with a good and objective definition (I do hope people make an effort to do so before rejecting it on that basis!) Yerushalmi 08:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)