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I don't think this exists anywhere, by no means is it a complete list, i hope its in the spirit of geohashing. [[user:zorg|zorg]]
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This page was getting crowded with suggestions that have already been implemented. I've deleted/condensed a lot of old talk so that we can FIND the new talk. If I deleted something you were attached to, you know where the history tab is. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  
==Award Icons?==
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==First geocache==
It might be nice for someone (not me, I leave for Paris in 12 hours) to make some small icons representing the awards, which users could, say, post on their user page after having completed each. Any takers?
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I feel that for many people reaching there first ever geocache feels like an achievement and it seems worthy of an official achievement to me.
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Suggested titles "Babies first geocache" (actually that one might be confused with bringing your baby with you to a geocache)
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Let's keep it simple "My First time"
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--[[User:TheGeorge|The George]] 05:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
  
[[User:Matt|Matt]] 14:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
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:First timers inevitably get one of the land or water or air ribbons (usually land, but I can think of those who didn't) and that serves that purpose well. I don't think a new first time ribbon is required. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 01:57, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:Oh, definitely. Preferably small icons that could be put on the page for the specific hash,next to everyone who's been around. Might have a look at it next week if no one else bothers with it, got another GH related challenge to work on tomorrow. [[User:Nazgjunk|Nazgjunk]] 21:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 
  
:: I almost made a page for each individual Geohash achievement, where there can be a list of people who have gotten it. I'll chuck that up, and time giving, will add an icon. I'll make them all at the same time so they're the same style though (better to be xkcd style right?) (about halfway through this, but i can't think of a good way to draw public transport geohash) --[[user:zorg|zorg]]
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== Award Icons ==
  
::: I converted the land (standard) icon into an vector format image (in order to print poxel-free geohash-signs). Uploading SVG is disabled, but you can find it [http://hermidownloads.craqstar.de/temp/geohashing_logo.svg here] --[[user:Hermann|Hermann]] 16:20, 27 May 2008
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[[User:Matt (2008)|Matt]] suggested icons. DONE.
  
:: I uploaded the water icon, feedback anyone? --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 04:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Discussion of various now-implemented icons and templates deleted.
  
:: Now the "going deep" one. This is great procrastination guys. --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 05:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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-- [[user:Robyn]], [https://geohashing.site/index.php?title=Talk:Achievements&diff=22099&oldid=22098 15:38 UTC 10 December 2008]
  
::: Those are great, man!  I particularly like the underground one!  Could the public transit one maybe have two busses going opposite directions with two GeoHashers high-fiving out the window? ...or even someone sitting in a plane? [[User:AshleyMorton|AshleyMorton]] 05:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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== Proof ==
 
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Proof criteria determined.  
:::: Thanks!! :) Hehe the highfive one is cool, i'll make the sign on the bus be coordinates, instead of a location name aswell :D Thanks! --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 05:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC) ... just uploaded the couch potato one :) --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 07:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Wow! I suggest the idea, go off the grid for ten days, and come back to find it implemented! Thanks, guys. I'll be working on organizing the achievements section and fleshing out the missing pages and icons over the next few weeks. Anyone up for compass icons for the farthest north/south/east/west geohashes?    [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 
  
[[User:Widdershins|Widdershins]] 00:29, 26 May 2008 (UTC) - The next obvious step is to use these icon images in '''templates intended for people's user profiles.''' I have made the templates for {{tl|mnimb geohash}}, {{tl|land geohash}}, {{tl|water geohash}}, {{tl|goingdeep geohash}}, {{tl|twister geohash}}, {{tl|snowman geohash}}, and {{tl|goingup geohash}} (and now the {{tl|mnb geohash}}). I also added the Origin Geohash achievement and corresponding template {{tl|origin geohash}}. Ideally, we should have the icons mentioned above to cover all of these. So please, get to work ''':D'''
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If the author of an achievement wants to limit it, they can.  If not, not.  It's all pretty-much honor system, anyway.  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
 
== Proof ==
 
  
How do you submit the proof? Post it on this site? <br>
 
and how do you do that with the public transit version.... <br>
 
And.... does it count for every single day or are the saterday meetings the only ones allowed? :) (Come to think of it, how can you be at exactly 4pm at a pub. transit location? :P)
 
--[[User:Evo--|Evo--]] 22:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 
  
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Am I correct in assuming you have to reach coords to claim most of these awards? "Reach" being a subjective term anyway, depending on your brand/age(/lack of) GPS. Awards you '''don't''' have to reach coords for:
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:Consolation prizes
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::*Correct: I don't think you qualify for these if you DO reach the coordinates.
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:Hashcard
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::*Correct, from the [[Hashcard_achievement#Proof|Hashcard proof section]]: "You can earn this achievement without reaching the coordinates, but not without seriously trying to get as near as possible."
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:Admit One
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::*Correct, "You are still eligible for the award even if the exact location was ultimately inaccessible, e.g. inside the lion enclosure at the zoo, or on the actual playing field at a sports event."
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:Counting towards XKCD-centurion
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::*Sort of correct: you must either '''meet people''' or '''achieve the coordinates.'''
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Please add any others.
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::*Or conversely if you have "sponsored" an award and intended it to be only for people who reached the geohash, make sure that it makes that clear in the achievement text.
  
:: I envisioned that you would post it on your talk (make that your kind of 'profile' page), along side a photo. Achievements can count for any day of the week. (Hey maybe we could have Monday GeoHash.... Tuesday Geohash... ect ). And proof isn't always necessary, it'd be most of a personal achievement Really this should have a website more complicated than a wiki, with profiles and stats n whatnot. So we can compete for Geohasher of the month/week/year. [[user:zorg|zorg]]
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Oh, and reaching. So if you have a GPS, then within the margin error of your GPS. If not, identifying the location in some way via google maps or similar. --[[User:Joannac|joannac]] 00:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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::*I'd be somewhat unimpressed by someone who claimed a major award, like Centurion, or some very difficult geohashes without a GPS unless there was some very strenuous proof involved. I know from experience that "250 m into the bushes from where this road meets that one" can be way way more than 250 good paces into the woods. It's all honour system, really, but one honours some claims more than others. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 03:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  
: For the public transit version, I pictured a photo of a watch and a GPS doohickey, your smiling face, and a background that is clearly the inside of a bus.  But really, I'm not going to check. [[User:AshleyMorton|AshleyMorton]] 23:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
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==Organization of Achievements Page==
  
:: I added a proof section to the page, Is watch, location & you is enough? <br>
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Page reorganized a couple of times as the list grew.
::Also I realise this means nobody has won a Geohash award yet :/ [[user:zorg|zorg]]
 
  
: And for time zone challenged locations (where it is physically impossible for me to get to a weekday geohash without a time machine), are we allowed to show time proof of the next day, or should we set our watches to a foreign time zone? --[[User:Phire|Phire]] 04:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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==Philosophy of New Achievements==
  
::I'm in melbourne, so I understand your worry, but if you guys decide to all use the previous days DOW opening, if thats what gets decided then you can still get achievements. I think we've all got to just trust everyone to claim these only when they have earnt them, if you want to fake it and earn an achievement you didn't get.... well, meh. So totally go ahead and take photos of whatever you decide to do. Thats my opinion. But don't go to mondays geohash on like... friday. That wouldn't count. --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 04:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Seems kinda silly to me to have an ''award'' for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --[[User:Joel|Joel]] 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  
: It seems to me y'all are over-thinking thisIt's A Good Thing that some people will have "loose" ethics around their proof and others will say "only <foo> counts" -- it's all the more community! If the author of an achievement wants to limit it, they can.  If not, notIt's all pretty-much honor system, anyway; it's not as if anyone's going to get a celebrity endorsement for having the most geohashing awards, or anything :)  By way of example, I loosened the "on the spot" criteria for [[Air_Geohash|Air Geohash]] to account for the fact that it's pretty darned near impossible to hit an exact spot within a meter in an airplane.  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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:I disagree, at least for nowLet's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while. After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organizationFor now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too sillyHeck, it '''is''' the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...! [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  
==Community==
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==Creating New Achievements==
I added a community achievements section. Also, a achievements category. zorg
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'''This page has been superseded by [[Proposed achievements]]. Do not post new proposals here.'''
  
==Two Different Kinds of Achievements==
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If there is a non-implemented achievement here that you would like to see happen, follow the proposal guidelines there and write up a good description of how the achievement should work on its own page with the [[:Category:Proposed achievements]], and then edit the page in response to any objections you get. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 23:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  
I was in the IRC and someone suggested a 'highest geohash' achievement. Should achievements for which only one perosn can hold them at a time have a seperate section, or be on this page aswell? (we also came up with alot of different ideas, eg - Most Precarious, Sexiest (Strip Club), Most Inconvineint, Most Unlikely (Randalls House) so there would definitely be a fair few things people could try and go for. What do you think? Can you think of anymore ideas for that section? --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 08:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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You may also just leave a short note of your idea on [[Talk:Proposed achievements]], that's where I moved all the non yet implemented ideas mentioned somewhere on this page. --[[User:HiroProtagonist|HiroProtagonist]] 21:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
  
: Sure, the more the merrier - the only thing would be that if we end up with a lot, we'll have to find a way to format this page a bit better. One aspect of that formatting would be that we could put the "high prestige" (Most Successful GeoHashes, Largest Meetup to Date, ...) and the "gateway", easy to get, ones (Land GeoHash, maybe one or two more) at the top, because, really, the rest are just displays of our own weird senses of humour, not real awards. [[User:AshleyMorton|AshleyMorton]] 10:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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===Implemented Suggestions===
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*Double Geohash - reaching two in one day - [[Multihash]]
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*Blind Geohash achievement, for getting to the exact place without a GPS unit - [[No Batteries Geohash]]
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*International Geohash - go to a different country (easiest for people in say 43, -79) - [[Border geohash]]
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*Martyr - injured reaching a geohash  - [[Trail of Blood]]
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*V.I.P - geohash in a members-only or pay-to-enter location - [[Admit One Geohash]]
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*[[Restricted Area Geohash]] - legitimate access to restricted area
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*[[Holy Hash]] achievement, when geohashers arrive at coordinates and find a place of worship?
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*[[Golf Geohash]] - on golf course
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*[[Hashcard achievement]] - send a postcard of the hash from the hash
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*[[Cross That Bridge Geohash]] - geohash accessible while on a bridge.
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*[[Walking on Water Geohash]] - on foot, on the surface of a body of water, at the geohash
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*[[Posted achievement]] - As an incentive not to trespass, I think there should be an award like the centurion for no trespassing. --[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
  
:: I made a massive change to the way the page is organised, but I think it was neccessary because the page was getting huge. Now we can have HEAPS of achievements in the one place :) --[[User:Zorg|Zorg]] 01:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
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===Deleted, Merged, Rejected or Downgraded Achievements===
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Achievements that have been actively removed or rejected.
  
We need a Rick Astley Achievement. In Denver we played and sang Never Gonna Give you Up in the woods.
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I think it's not a bad idea to go through the list from time to time. You'll often come up with an idea which seems good enough for an achievement, and notice later that it's just not being accepted.  
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-- [[User:Relet|Relet]] 00:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  
Repeating my thoughts from below...Seems kinda silly to me to have an award for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. For example, "do Z while at a geohash" is not really enough to need an award. Let's keep it simple. --[[User:Joel|Joel]] 20:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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I totally support deletion of the subjective achievements. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  
== Youngest / Oldest / etc ==
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I support deletion of superfluous and unused achievements. [[User:Nemo|Nemo]] 13:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Don't just delete unused achievements if they are hard. They can be something to strive for even if someone hasn't got them yet. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 01:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
  
So, a [http://flickr.com/photos/navratil/2519180999/in/set-72157605237620605/ ten-month old] geohasher scouted the [[2008-05-24_37_-121|37, -121]] spot with me today. Can he claim youngest geohasher? And, for that matter, anyone want to claim eldest?  --[[User:Tapin|Tapin]] 05:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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* Strip Club Geohash - boring (probably unless you actually hit one). But then you could just create one of these for anything you visit.
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** I disagree.  A strip-club is unusual enough and "off color" enough that having one's geohash spot fall on one is an event worthy of "hey, that's a good story" and sharing with friends.  IMO, that makes it a good candidate for an achievement. It's like the graveyard one -- graveyards are far more common than strip-clubs, but the're still "off beat" enough that you'd tell your friends "you won't believe this: the spot was IN A GRAVEYARD, today!"  
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** Dogging site? - Sorry - I'll get my coat.
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"Good stories" are geohash achievements, IMO. [[Special:Contributions/64.74.213.98|64.74.213.98]] 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
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* Smoking Geohash - not actually difficult to achieve, and not that unusual that it could be called interesting.
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** I disagree and, hence, removed the delete tag, and placed my defense on the talk page (per delete-tag instructions.) [[Special:Contributions/64.74.213.98|64.74.213.98]] 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
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* The underpants geohash which was merged with [[Geoflashing]]
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* The [[MacGyver Achievement|MacGyver]] and [[Maker Achievement|Maker]] awards were partly merged.
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* The [[Easy Geohash]] which was degraded into a [term needed] (subjective achievement? I'd like to remove the term achievement).
  
== Time sensitive awards... ==
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== Tracking Awards ==
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I visited the "Centurion" page only to sadly discover it's part of [[XKCD-100]]. Seems like we need some sort of Hash Counter and Saturday Hash Counter (or awards). I just hit my 5th hash (with only one Saturday meetup), and I'll keep going to 100, even if they aren't all Saturdays (or all at 4:00pm or ...)
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[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 13 June 2008
  
How about awards for being at the geohash location at midnight say, or at sunrise/sunset?
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I agree. They are getting hard to count, and I've only attempted 14.
  
== Listifying ==
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: Recommend starting a user-page and putting your hash-participation in a section, there.  Then it should be a simple matter to demark 5, 10, 25, 50, etc...  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 21:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  
I've listified much of the page. Perhaps there should be some slight guidelines that if you are going to add an achievement add some explanation of what you mean, and create a page. [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]] 11:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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: Perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but the [[Xkcd_centurion_achievement | centurion award]] also works for numbers less than 100. I've currently made it to one saturday meetup so i added it to my page and it says, amusingly, nullaturion! i believe it goes to decurion when you get ten. [[User:Sermoa|--sermoa]] 20:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
  
== Ideas ==
 
  
Seems kinda silly to me to have an ''award'' for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. Looking at the list below, I think perhaps Double Geohash is the only one worth keeping, maybe not even that one (no offense to whoever came up with them). What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --[[User:Joel|Joel]] 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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== Records vs achievements ==
  
*Double Geohash - reaching two in one day
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Just wondering if "records" wouldn't make more sense than "achievements" with arbitrary numerical values. Ie, rather than having an achievement for 100 different graticulas (a very big ask), why not just records for "most graticules". There are a few already (highest, lowest, hottest, etc...as well as most consecutive).
*International Geohash - go to a different country  (easiest for people in say 43, -79)
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:Object. Reason: Record holders will continue collecting more points, making it impossible to anyone else to gain that achievement, so one dedicated hasher takes the fun out of it for everyone else.
*Martyr - injured reaching a geohash (double points if combined with Couch Potato or Cubicle)
 
*V.I.P - geohash in a members-only or pay-to-enter location
 
*Passing Through - went through geohash but couldn't stay. Examples include going through it on a train, plane, or chased by wild animals
 
*Party Crasher - Interrupted a social event (i.e. wedding)
 
*Hammer Time - Reached geohash using the MC Hammer Slide
 
*Tape Measure Geohash - Have a tape measure extending contest at the geohash
 
*Cross Country Geohash - Travel from point A to B at the rate of one Lat/Lon quadrant a day, reaching the respective Geohash each day.
 
  
: I disagree, at least for now. Let's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while. After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organization. For now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too silly. Heck, it '''is''' the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...!  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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A few other ideas:
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* Fastest (from time coordinate is announced)
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:Object. Has been discussed already and turned down for timezone issues. Depending on place and day of week, the coordinates are not even valid at the moment they come out. Also, in some timezones the coordinates come out in the middle of the night, so these people wouldn't have any chance. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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:: So have a record for each timezone. No reason a Melburnian has to compete with a New Yorker. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::You totally didn't get the point. It's not that some timezones have it more difficult, it's that "waiting for the coordinates and then run off" is simply impractical in many cases while standard in a few other. Australians would need to check the coordinates and run off if suitable in the middle of the night, which is basically not a good time to go to most destinations. In Europe, Asia, and everywhere for the weekend and NYSE holidays, the coordinates are ''not valid'' at the time they are announced. So if I would run off to make it a fast geohash, I'd get there on the wrong day, and need to come back the day after. And visiting the actual day's coordinates should always be preferred, that's basically what geohashing is about. Also, in the end it comes down to waiting for the nearest point which is covered by the Couch Potato honorable mention. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  
== Restricted Geohash ==
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* Furthest (from position when coordinate announced)
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:"useless-burning-of-fuel-and-driving-too-fast-achievement"? --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Heh.
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:::Well, actually, that would finally be taken by someone who does a long planned intercontinental flight on saturday and then goes hashing on sunday, and then never be looked at again. There's the globetrotter achievement for this case.
  
I would discourage having an award for a "restricted area" geohash, as it is clearly against the disclaimer {{Template:Disclaimer}} [[User:Scottkuma|Scottkuma]] 19:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
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* Endurance (drop the 7 day requirement, just make it most consecutive without spending a night in the same place twice)
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:See general note below.
  
:I added the disclaimer to the page. Still, as long as the person has legal access (most likely a member of the military) this award is fair game.   [[User:Matt|Matt]] 15:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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* Hashcram: most people assembled at the point at one time...
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:See phonebooth stuffing and migration --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Yeah, I found the phonebooth thing a bit weird. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::Largest geohash and migration cover it anyway. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  
:My understanding of the R.A. achievement is that it is qualified with "...to which you have legal access."  So, for example, if you work on a Military base and the spot is on-base, or similar. [[User:Ted|Ted]] 15:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
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* Simultaneous: most people simultaneously at various hashes
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:Simultaneous as in at the very same moment? Timezone issue, and hardly organizable. [[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Hmm, how would you organise people in so many different places. Oh wait, I know...the internet! But I was actually thinking regionally - you can get quite a few graticules in one timezone. The whole eastern seabord of Australia is one timezone and is hundreds of graticules. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::In that case it comes down to saturday 4 pm which already is a preferred time. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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[[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 11:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  
::When I wrote this achievement, I briefly considered adding a wink-and-nod reference to people trying this who don't have clearance, but decided to leave that out. We should definitely not be encouraging illegal activities. Being in the "I'm better than you" section, it would follow that only a person in posession of legit access to the site would be able to claim it. Thanks, Matt for putting the disclaimer on the page.
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:Generally, record achievements are only suitable for a rather short time period. They start with ridiculously low numbers taken by people who didn't really try the achievement but just see they fulfilled the requirements by the word, slowly advancing, until someone does a real effort and sets a record so high that it takes all fun out of even trying for everyone else. At that time, the best thing would be to delete it and start all over again (which is not an option anyway). Which is why I generally do not like achievements based on beating a record, and will always argue against creating more of them. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::The original idea came from a story told by my wife about one of her classes. She had an asshole professor who was only teaching because he had to. His main task was doing Important Research at a university-related off-campus lab accessible only by badge and he decided that he would set his office hours at that site, thereby eliminating the possibility that any students would show up. The Mrs just so happened to be working at that facility as part of a separate project, so she ''did'' have access and showed up with her homework one day. The prof did a doubletake, asked her how she got in. When she waved her badge, he smiled and gracefully helped her out with her questions. [[User:FunkyTuba|FunkyTuba]] 20:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 
  
:When I wrote my objection, I don't think that the clarification had  been made that you need valid, legal access to the site. Now that the requirement has been clearly noted, I withdraw my objection.  -- [[User:Scottkuma|Scottkuma]] 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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== Maintenance ==
  
== Highlander Geohash Achievement? ==
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Is anyone else seeing any problems with the template for the [[Minesweeper_Geohash|Minesweeper Geohash]]? It looks like someone injected a link into the template somehow. [[User:Splitdipless|Splitdipless]] 23:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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:This was just generic spam, as occurs all over the wiki. An Undo on the template edit usually does for the moment - until the spammer strikes again. Actual solution is to protect the template. Joanna's job. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  
As a fencer, I may be biased in considering this idea mildly awesome. Further, there are definite safety, liability, and standardization concerns which need to be considered before it could be successfully implemented.
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== Icon re-use in phone apps ==
  
Off the top of my head: (no pun intended)
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My next plan for the Geohash Droid Anrdoid app is to allow users to add achievements manually when posting to the wiki, something that people seem to have been asking for.  I'm right now designing an interface for it, part of which includes the icons used for the achievements themselves.  Now, in lieu of downloading all the icons on-demand (unfeasible; this IS supposed to be on a phone, likely in the middle of nowhere, given the nature of geohashing, and besides, that'd just be a bit rude to the maintainers of the wiki), I'm considering putting all the icons in with the app itself.
  
-Safety concerns being most important, it should go without saying that only practice weapons are permitted. Standard padded practice attire (or acceptable analogues thereof) and facemasks for both participants are also a necessity. There are some concerns specific to fencing outdoors like weather conditions, ground conditions, heat stroke in the warmer climates, and public safety which must also be considered. Further, it stands to reason that attempting to attain a Highlander achievement would increase the likelihood of the geohashers involved satisfying the requirements necessary for a Police achievement. Thus, it would behoove any such geohashers to know their rights beforehand, and conduct themselves with the dignity, honor, and respect that their noble schools have no doubt instilled in them. Note, however, that it is ''always'' unwise to challenge an officer of the law to any duel or fencing contest in response to a perceived lack of the above mentioned virtues on their part.
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My question is, do I have the right/permission to redistribute the achievement icons like that?  I'll note that many of the icons aren't Randall's work, thus I don't know for sure if they're all under the same CC license under which he puts the rest of XKCD. [[User:CaptainSpam|CaptainSpam]] 17:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  
-Different weapons and scoring techniques would make competition between foil and sabre practitioners (for example) difficult to judge. This problem would only be compounded by the inclusion of Kendo or other fencing traditions, yet their inclusion is essential to a true replication of highlander conditions. Possible solutions might be standardized rules of engagement, inclusion of other geohashers as arbiters, or agreement on specific terms before the contest. A combination of these solutions may be ideal.
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You have the right to do anything you like with anything I've designed, mostly mine are taken from Randalls's work anyway. You probably will have to ask ilpadre and other creators directly. We've been pretty militant about not using things we don't have rights to, e.g. geotrashing achievement was changed because of this. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]]
  
-Really, anybody who bouts at geohash coordinates deserves an achievement, yet there can be only one. Perhaps there might be one achievement ribbon for the victor, along with a slightly less cephalic ribbon for the less fortunate participant?
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== Achievements for Previous Hashes ==
  
-Depending on the size and population density of the naval craft being used as a venue, it may be inappropriate, unsafe, or illegal to attempt to earn both the Water achievement and the Highlander achievement in one go. That said, given the existence of a Restricted Area achievement, a "Swashbuckling" achievement for the few pirates who have the means (Oil drill workers? Cruise ship crew? Messiahs?) seems to be indicated.
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I would like some clarification on this. Do you still get an achievement if the hash reached was not that day's hash? I don't mean the origin/displaced origin achievements, but the ordinary ones. If not then I think that there should be more awards for previous Hashes.
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--[[User:Mnm7198|Mnm7198]] 17:07, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
  
I look forward to the day when graticule pages come complete with the names of local duelists, so as to facilitate travel for epic battles in far-away lands ^_^
 
  
Er... also how about a Holy Hash achievement, when geohashers arrive at coordinates and find a place of worship?
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:This is called "Retro-hashing."  In general it is not encouraged, as going to TODAY's hashpoint is what we want to have happen. There are a couple cases, such as you mentioned, as well as Geohashing day where it can come into play. If you have other folks in your graticule, you can all go for a retro-hash together, and that sort of thing is encouraged as an "alternate meeting point" which is better than going to a point that wasn't generated at all.  [[User:Jiml|Jiml]] 17:30, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
  
== Award Suggestion ==
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:This is pretty clear - no achievements for [[Retrohash]]es, except of the few ones which are explicitely made for them. It's an integral part of geohashing, that you need to visit the one and unpredictable set of coordinates of that day, instead of some arbitrary covenient point you choose from about 30000 known choices per graticule with all time you need to plan. Where's the challenge in doing so, anyway? --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 17:23, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
  
In the event that a geohash coordinate ends up on a golf course, geohashers can/are required to play a round of golf on the course. If they can plan it so that they're playing the hole the coordinate's on at 4:00, they can get special mention? And a similar award for other sporting areas could work as well?
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== Achievements Pages Clean Up ==
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* I have visited every page linked from the Achievement list and tried to improve usability and consistency.
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** Add "[[:Category:Achievement award templates]]" where this is missing.
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** Put a link to the template at the top of the page, not in the nether regions of hell.
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** Some have no template. I have added a template.
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** Some are undocumented. I have documented these.
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** Fix anything else that looks odd or inconsistent.
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** The ribbon template links were all over the place. Now they are all at the top of the page.
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--[[User:Sourcerer|Sourcerer]] ([[User talk:Sourcerer|talk]]) 09:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
  
:Maybe that could be the '''Sporting''' achievement? -- [[User:Scottkuma|Scottkuma]] 14:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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:Thanks, Sourcerer! It all looks much better.  — <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Benjw|Benjw]]</span>&nbsp; <sub>{[[User talk:Benjw|talk]]}</sub> 09:36, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 19:58, 15 January 2022

This page was getting crowded with suggestions that have already been implemented. I've deleted/condensed a lot of old talk so that we can FIND the new talk. If I deleted something you were attached to, you know where the history tab is. -Robyn 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

First geocache

I feel that for many people reaching there first ever geocache feels like an achievement and it seems worthy of an official achievement to me. Suggested titles "Babies first geocache" (actually that one might be confused with bringing your baby with you to a geocache) Let's keep it simple "My First time" --The George 05:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

First timers inevitably get one of the land or water or air ribbons (usually land, but I can think of those who didn't) and that serves that purpose well. I don't think a new first time ribbon is required. -Robyn 01:57, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Award Icons

Matt suggested icons. DONE.

Discussion of various now-implemented icons and templates deleted.

-- user:Robyn, 15:38 UTC 10 December 2008

Proof

Proof criteria determined.

If the author of an achievement wants to limit it, they can. If not, not. It's all pretty-much honor system, anyway. Ted 02:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


Am I correct in assuming you have to reach coords to claim most of these awards? "Reach" being a subjective term anyway, depending on your brand/age(/lack of) GPS. Awards you don't have to reach coords for:

Consolation prizes
  • Correct: I don't think you qualify for these if you DO reach the coordinates.
Hashcard
  • Correct, from the Hashcard proof section: "You can earn this achievement without reaching the coordinates, but not without seriously trying to get as near as possible."
Admit One
  • Correct, "You are still eligible for the award even if the exact location was ultimately inaccessible, e.g. inside the lion enclosure at the zoo, or on the actual playing field at a sports event."
Counting towards XKCD-centurion
  • Sort of correct: you must either meet people or achieve the coordinates.

Please add any others.

  • Or conversely if you have "sponsored" an award and intended it to be only for people who reached the geohash, make sure that it makes that clear in the achievement text.

Oh, and reaching. So if you have a GPS, then within the margin error of your GPS. If not, identifying the location in some way via google maps or similar. --joannac 00:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I'd be somewhat unimpressed by someone who claimed a major award, like Centurion, or some very difficult geohashes without a GPS unless there was some very strenuous proof involved. I know from experience that "250 m into the bushes from where this road meets that one" can be way way more than 250 good paces into the woods. It's all honour system, really, but one honours some claims more than others. -Robyn 03:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Organization of Achievements Page

Page reorganized a couple of times as the list grew.

Philosophy of New Achievements

Seems kinda silly to me to have an award for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --Joel 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, at least for now. Let's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while. After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organization. For now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too silly. Heck, it is the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...! Ted 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Creating New Achievements

This page has been superseded by Proposed achievements. Do not post new proposals here.

If there is a non-implemented achievement here that you would like to see happen, follow the proposal guidelines there and write up a good description of how the achievement should work on its own page with the Category:Proposed achievements, and then edit the page in response to any objections you get. -Robyn 23:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You may also just leave a short note of your idea on Talk:Proposed achievements, that's where I moved all the non yet implemented ideas mentioned somewhere on this page. --HiroProtagonist 21:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Implemented Suggestions

Deleted, Merged, Rejected or Downgraded Achievements

Achievements that have been actively removed or rejected.

I think it's not a bad idea to go through the list from time to time. You'll often come up with an idea which seems good enough for an achievement, and notice later that it's just not being accepted. -- Relet 00:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I totally support deletion of the subjective achievements. -Robyn 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I support deletion of superfluous and unused achievements. Nemo 13:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't just delete unused achievements if they are hard. They can be something to strive for even if someone hasn't got them yet. -Robyn 01:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Strip Club Geohash - boring (probably unless you actually hit one). But then you could just create one of these for anything you visit.
    • I disagree. A strip-club is unusual enough and "off color" enough that having one's geohash spot fall on one is an event worthy of "hey, that's a good story" and sharing with friends. IMO, that makes it a good candidate for an achievement. It's like the graveyard one -- graveyards are far more common than strip-clubs, but the're still "off beat" enough that you'd tell your friends "you won't believe this: the spot was IN A GRAVEYARD, today!"
    • Dogging site? - Sorry - I'll get my coat.

"Good stories" are geohash achievements, IMO. 64.74.213.98 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Smoking Geohash - not actually difficult to achieve, and not that unusual that it could be called interesting.
    • I disagree and, hence, removed the delete tag, and placed my defense on the talk page (per delete-tag instructions.) 64.74.213.98 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  • The underpants geohash which was merged with Geoflashing
  • The MacGyver and Maker awards were partly merged.
  • The Easy Geohash which was degraded into a [term needed] (subjective achievement? I'd like to remove the term achievement).

Tracking Awards

I visited the "Centurion" page only to sadly discover it's part of XKCD-100. Seems like we need some sort of Hash Counter and Saturday Hash Counter (or awards). I just hit my 5th hash (with only one Saturday meetup), and I'll keep going to 100, even if they aren't all Saturdays (or all at 4:00pm or ...) Thomcat 13 June 2008

I agree. They are getting hard to count, and I've only attempted 14.

Recommend starting a user-page and putting your hash-participation in a section, there. Then it should be a simple matter to demark 5, 10, 25, 50, etc... Ted 21:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but the centurion award also works for numbers less than 100. I've currently made it to one saturday meetup so i added it to my page and it says, amusingly, nullaturion! i believe it goes to decurion when you get ten. --sermoa 20:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Records vs achievements

Just wondering if "records" wouldn't make more sense than "achievements" with arbitrary numerical values. Ie, rather than having an achievement for 100 different graticulas (a very big ask), why not just records for "most graticules". There are a few already (highest, lowest, hottest, etc...as well as most consecutive).

Object. Reason: Record holders will continue collecting more points, making it impossible to anyone else to gain that achievement, so one dedicated hasher takes the fun out of it for everyone else.

A few other ideas:

  • Fastest (from time coordinate is announced)
Object. Has been discussed already and turned down for timezone issues. Depending on place and day of week, the coordinates are not even valid at the moment they come out. Also, in some timezones the coordinates come out in the middle of the night, so these people wouldn't have any chance. --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
So have a record for each timezone. No reason a Melburnian has to compete with a New Yorker. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
You totally didn't get the point. It's not that some timezones have it more difficult, it's that "waiting for the coordinates and then run off" is simply impractical in many cases while standard in a few other. Australians would need to check the coordinates and run off if suitable in the middle of the night, which is basically not a good time to go to most destinations. In Europe, Asia, and everywhere for the weekend and NYSE holidays, the coordinates are not valid at the time they are announced. So if I would run off to make it a fast geohash, I'd get there on the wrong day, and need to come back the day after. And visiting the actual day's coordinates should always be preferred, that's basically what geohashing is about. Also, in the end it comes down to waiting for the nearest point which is covered by the Couch Potato honorable mention. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Furthest (from position when coordinate announced)
"useless-burning-of-fuel-and-driving-too-fast-achievement"? --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh.
Well, actually, that would finally be taken by someone who does a long planned intercontinental flight on saturday and then goes hashing on sunday, and then never be looked at again. There's the globetrotter achievement for this case.
  • Endurance (drop the 7 day requirement, just make it most consecutive without spending a night in the same place twice)
See general note below.
  • Hashcram: most people assembled at the point at one time...
See phonebooth stuffing and migration --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I found the phonebooth thing a bit weird. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Largest geohash and migration cover it anyway. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Simultaneous: most people simultaneously at various hashes
Simultaneous as in at the very same moment? Timezone issue, and hardly organizable. Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, how would you organise people in so many different places. Oh wait, I know...the internet! But I was actually thinking regionally - you can get quite a few graticules in one timezone. The whole eastern seabord of Australia is one timezone and is hundreds of graticules. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In that case it comes down to saturday 4 pm which already is a preferred time. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Stevage 11:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Generally, record achievements are only suitable for a rather short time period. They start with ridiculously low numbers taken by people who didn't really try the achievement but just see they fulfilled the requirements by the word, slowly advancing, until someone does a real effort and sets a record so high that it takes all fun out of even trying for everyone else. At that time, the best thing would be to delete it and start all over again (which is not an option anyway). Which is why I generally do not like achievements based on beating a record, and will always argue against creating more of them. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Maintenance

Is anyone else seeing any problems with the template for the Minesweeper Geohash? It looks like someone injected a link into the template somehow. Splitdipless 23:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

This was just generic spam, as occurs all over the wiki. An Undo on the template edit usually does for the moment - until the spammer strikes again. Actual solution is to protect the template. Joanna's job. --Ekorren 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Icon re-use in phone apps

My next plan for the Geohash Droid Anrdoid app is to allow users to add achievements manually when posting to the wiki, something that people seem to have been asking for. I'm right now designing an interface for it, part of which includes the icons used for the achievements themselves. Now, in lieu of downloading all the icons on-demand (unfeasible; this IS supposed to be on a phone, likely in the middle of nowhere, given the nature of geohashing, and besides, that'd just be a bit rude to the maintainers of the wiki), I'm considering putting all the icons in with the app itself.

My question is, do I have the right/permission to redistribute the achievement icons like that? I'll note that many of the icons aren't Randall's work, thus I don't know for sure if they're all under the same CC license under which he puts the rest of XKCD. CaptainSpam 17:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You have the right to do anything you like with anything I've designed, mostly mine are taken from Randalls's work anyway. You probably will have to ask ilpadre and other creators directly. We've been pretty militant about not using things we don't have rights to, e.g. geotrashing achievement was changed because of this. -Robyn

Achievements for Previous Hashes

I would like some clarification on this. Do you still get an achievement if the hash reached was not that day's hash? I don't mean the origin/displaced origin achievements, but the ordinary ones. If not then I think that there should be more awards for previous Hashes. --Mnm7198 17:07, 11 April 2012 (EDT)


This is called "Retro-hashing." In general it is not encouraged, as going to TODAY's hashpoint is what we want to have happen. There are a couple cases, such as you mentioned, as well as Geohashing day where it can come into play. If you have other folks in your graticule, you can all go for a retro-hash together, and that sort of thing is encouraged as an "alternate meeting point" which is better than going to a point that wasn't generated at all. Jiml 17:30, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
This is pretty clear - no achievements for Retrohashes, except of the few ones which are explicitely made for them. It's an integral part of geohashing, that you need to visit the one and unpredictable set of coordinates of that day, instead of some arbitrary covenient point you choose from about 30000 known choices per graticule with all time you need to plan. Where's the challenge in doing so, anyway? --Ekorren 17:23, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Achievements Pages Clean Up

  • I have visited every page linked from the Achievement list and tried to improve usability and consistency.
    • Add "Category:Achievement award templates" where this is missing.
    • Put a link to the template at the top of the page, not in the nether regions of hell.
    • Some have no template. I have added a template.
    • Some are undocumented. I have documented these.
    • Fix anything else that looks odd or inconsistent.
    • The ribbon template links were all over the place. Now they are all at the top of the page.

--Sourcerer (talk) 09:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Thanks, Sourcerer! It all looks much better. — Benjw  {talk} 09:36, 22 July 2015 (EDT)