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This page was getting crowded with suggestions that have already been implemented. I've deleted/condensed a lot of old talk so that we can FIND the new talk. If I deleted something you were attached to, you know where the history tab is. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 
This page was getting crowded with suggestions that have already been implemented. I've deleted/condensed a lot of old talk so that we can FIND the new talk. If I deleted something you were attached to, you know where the history tab is. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  
==Award Icons==
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==First geocache==
[[User:Matt|Matt]] suggested icons. DONE.  
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I feel that for many people reaching there first ever geocache feels like an achievement and it seems worthy of an official achievement to me.
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Suggested titles "Babies first geocache" (actually that one might be confused with bringing your baby with you to a geocache)
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Let's keep it simple "My First time"
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--[[User:TheGeorge|The George]] 05:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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:First timers inevitably get one of the land or water or air ribbons (usually land, but I can think of those who didn't) and that serves that purpose well. I don't think a new first time ribbon is required. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 01:57, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
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== Award Icons ==
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[[User:Matt (2008)|Matt]] suggested icons. DONE.  
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Discussion of various now-implemented icons and templates deleted.
 
Discussion of various now-implemented icons and templates deleted.
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-- [[user:Robyn]], [https://geohashing.site/index.php?title=Talk:Achievements&diff=22099&oldid=22098 15:38 UTC 10 December 2008]
  
 
== Proof ==
 
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Page reorganized a couple of times as the list grew.
 
Page reorganized a couple of times as the list grew.
  
If you are going to add an achievement add some explanation of what you mean, and create a page. [[User:Evil Monkey|Evil Monkey]] 11:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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==Philosophy of New Achievements==
  
If you're not sure if your idea is a good one, suggest it here first for comment, then if people like it, add it appropriately.
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Seems kinda silly to me to have an ''award'' for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --[[User:Joel|Joel]] 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Ideas ==
 
Check to see if your idea has already been suggested, implemented, rejected or ignored.
 
 
 
Seems kinda silly to me to have an ''award'' for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. Looking at the list below, I think perhaps Double Geohash is the only one worth keeping, maybe not even that one (no offense to whoever came up with them). What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --[[User:Joel|Joel]] 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 
  
 
:I disagree, at least for now.  Let's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while.  After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organization.  For now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too silly.  Heck, it '''is''' the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...!  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 
:I disagree, at least for now.  Let's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while.  After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organization.  For now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too silly.  Heck, it '''is''' the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...!  [[User:Ted|Ted]] 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
  
*I would like to suggest a Time-Travel Geohash Award.<br>
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==Creating New Achievements==
If the coordinates fall in a "renaissance faire", or a historic re-creation town (like "Colonial Williamsburg").  But not for some place that just looks (or even is) outdated. -- [[User:m5rammy|m5rammy]] 8 June 2008
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'''This page has been superseded by [[Proposed achievements]]. Do not post new proposals here.'''  
 
 
:Actually, a time-travel geohash should be for going to a geohash site of some date in the past, preferably in period garb.  Since the algorithm is based on the Dow, how about BlackMonday, 1929? -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 10 June 2008
 
 
 
*This one's out there, but here goes: My friend coined the abbreviation "GHH" for GeoHasHing, also because GH is guitar hero. But what if the geohashers play guitar hero at the point? GHHGH! That should be an achievement for sure. Maybe if you're in the Golon Heights you could get it a bit easier. --[[User:MarkTraceur|MarkTraceur]]
 
 
 
::This will probably be driven by a handful of geohashers who really push the envelope, not just us thinking of stuff to try. [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 17:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 
 
 
No matter how many awards you have it will still be clear that the people who parachuted onto the geohash seriously outcool the people who wrote a postcard at the geohash, but it's all fun.
 
 
 
How about something like a Kevin Bacon achievement -- that would be, I suppose, a variant of the [[meet-up achievement]], where you meet a complete stranger at the geohash and then discover an acquaintance that you have in common. (''E.g.'', [[User:Darcy|Darcy]] and Zarah met at the [[2008-05-24_34_-118|first LA geohash]] and discovered that a friend of Darcy's from grad school was a friend of Zarah's from undergrad.) --[[User:Darcy|Darcy]] 09:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
An award for playing some kind of ball game at the hash? I personally am a large fan of Jasper Fforde (anyone know the author?) and would like to have a time dialation prepardness ribbon. (Time dilations are stopped from becoming really bad shit by throwing a sphere through them. . .I don't know, obscure references seem in the spirit of the thing.)
 
 
 
:I'm a bit of a Jasper Fforde fan, but if anyone wants to play Croquet Ffrodian style I'll have to go looking for some body armour. Let there be sport. -- [[User:UnwiseOwl|UnwiseOwl]] 10:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
I've created a [[User:the_ru/test | (Almost) Lost Something While Geohashing Consolation Prize/honorable mention]] ribbon - what do you think? [[User:the_ru | the ru]] 09:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:That's amusing. You need an icon from XKCD#71, or ''Lost'', ''Lost in Space'', maybe ''Land of the Lost''. --[[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]]
 
 
 
:I'd support a Lost consolation prize. Is this for people who do or do not reach the geohash, or both? You need to make an achievement description page too showing requirements for proof and whatnot. The standard geohahshing icon is pretty boring for the ribbon, though. How about from one of those bubble in space  comics? Might be #71, I didn't heck Jev's link. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 16:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:71 is "I lost you in the trees". IMO it could be used for any expedition, successful or not. It would be hard to reach the coordinates if you had lost the GPS receiver, for example. It's more intended for amusing trivia than as a serious prize though. I'll make a real icon if enough people are interested. The only problem is where I should put the ribbon - maybe I shouldn't clutter the Template: namespace with silly things, yet keeping it under a User: isn't very elegant. --the ru
 
  
::"Serious" doesn't describe many of the achievements, so I wouldn't worry about that. It could either be in [[Achievements#Challenge Achievements#Single Geohash Challenges]] for "reaching a geohash despite getting lost/losing something" but I think it would best fit in [[Achievements#Consolation Prizes]] for "losing something while geohashing, even if you did get to the point." -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 18:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
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If there is a non-implemented achievement here that you would like to see happen, follow the proposal guidelines there and write up a good description of how the achievement should work on its own page with the [[:Category:Proposed achievements]], and then edit the page in response to any objections you get. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 23:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  
*There should be an award for walking on water; that is, for arriving at a water geohash on foot. (This is easier in the winter.) I want to call it a JesuHash, but that might be a little over the top/offensive to some. Alternatives include Chauncey Gardiner Hash, Being There Hash, or just Walk On Water Hash. --[[User:Starbird|starbird]] 21:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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You may also just leave a short note of your idea on [[Talk:Proposed achievements]], that's where I moved all the non yet implemented ideas mentioned somewhere on this page. --[[User:HiroProtagonist|HiroProtagonist]] 21:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
**BTDT. Stay tuned at [[2009-02-10 52 12]]. -- [[User:relet|relet]] 21:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 
**I actually thought we already had that one. Perhaps I thought of it earlier and didn't make it. Now it's really too bad we didn't make our last Surrey hash across the frozen swamp. I favour simply "Walking on Water Geohash" it still implies Jesus without alienating anyone. Is the achievement for the HASH to be on frozen water (lucky location), or simply the approach (getting there)?  Include a safety disclaimer and a link to ice-rescue techniques. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 18:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 
***I think the hashpoint itself should be a water location, a la Water Geohash. Frozen water should not be part of the requirement; maybe somebody has really big inflatable shoes, or something. --[[User:Starbird|starbird]] 00:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 
* As an incentive not to trespass, I think there should be an award like the centurion for no trespassing. More on the [[No Trespassing Geohash#No Trespassing Collection Award|No trespassing talk page]]. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
How about something for those special dates? Pi Day (3/14), Mole Day (10/23 between 6:02 AM and 6:02 PM), Darwin Day (2/12), Square Root Day (3/3/09), Earth Day (4/22). Or any other " special" date deemed significant by the masses. [[User:Mr. Bow Tie|Mr. Bow Tie]] 01:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
  
 
===Implemented Suggestions===
 
===Implemented Suggestions===
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*[[Hashcard achievement]] - send a postcard of the hash from the hash
 
*[[Hashcard achievement]] - send a postcard of the hash from the hash
 
*[[Cross That Bridge Geohash]] - geohash accessible while on a bridge.
 
*[[Cross That Bridge Geohash]] - geohash accessible while on a bridge.
 
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*[[Walking on Water Geohash]] - on foot, on the surface of a body of water, at the geohash
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*[[Posted achievement]] - As an incentive not to trespass, I think there should be an award like the centurion for no trespassing. --[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 15:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Summary of ideas that have been suggested and then ignored or just not yet implemented.
 
 
 
*Passing Through - went through geohash but couldn't stay. Examples include going through it on a train, plane, or chased by wild animals
 
*Party Crasher - Interrupted a social event (i.e. wedding) - Good idea
 
*Hammer Time - Reached geohash using the MC Hammer Slide
 
*Tape Measure Geohash - Have a tape measure extending contest at the geohash
 
*Cross Country Geohash - Travel from point A to B at the rate of one Lat/Lon quadrant a day, reaching the respective Geohash each day.
 
*Wedding Geohash - Get married at the geohash. Wouldn't that be hilarious?  Issue invitations that explain the algorithm, but no one knows exactly where it will be until the day of. You might have to rent a boat, even a helicopter. Obviously I'm not serious.
 
*Close but No Cigar / Close Enough for Government Work consolation -- You get within about 100m and decide you're "close enough" (I see a lot of these on weekday meetup pages
 
*No "There" There consolation -- Your GPS can't decide if you've found the hashpoint or not
 
:*This actually just happened to Danatar....[[2008-12-14 50 9]]
 
*Midnight Madness Multihash -- special multihash for going to a geohash for Friday or Saturday), then at midnight travelling to the Saturday/Sunday geohash as quickly as possible.
 
*Discover something of previously unknown historic importance / a new species / a UFO while geohashing.
 
*Idol Geohash: meet a famous person, such as a band member or an actor.
 
*"D20 Hash" or something of the like for role playing or a "Board but not bored Hash" for playing board games at the hash site.
 
  
 
===Deleted, Merged, Rejected or Downgraded Achievements===
 
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* Strip Club Geohash - boring (probably unless you actually hit one). But then you could just create one of these for anything you visit.
 
* Strip Club Geohash - boring (probably unless you actually hit one). But then you could just create one of these for anything you visit.
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** I disagree.  A strip-club is unusual enough and "off color" enough that having one's geohash spot fall on one is an event worthy of "hey, that's a good story" and sharing with friends.  IMO, that makes it a good candidate for an achievement.  It's like the graveyard one -- graveyards are far more common than strip-clubs, but the're still "off beat" enough that you'd tell your friends "you won't believe this: the spot was IN A GRAVEYARD, today!" 
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** Dogging site? - Sorry - I'll get my coat.
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"Good stories" are geohash achievements, IMO. [[Special:Contributions/64.74.213.98|64.74.213.98]] 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 
* Smoking Geohash - not actually difficult to achieve, and not that unusual that it could be called interesting.
 
* Smoking Geohash - not actually difficult to achieve, and not that unusual that it could be called interesting.
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** I disagree and, hence, removed the delete tag, and placed my defense on the talk page (per delete-tag instructions.) [[Special:Contributions/64.74.213.98|64.74.213.98]] 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 
* The underpants geohash which was merged with [[Geoflashing]]
 
* The underpants geohash which was merged with [[Geoflashing]]
 
* The [[MacGyver Achievement|MacGyver]] and [[Maker Achievement|Maker]] awards were partly merged.
 
* The [[MacGyver Achievement|MacGyver]] and [[Maker Achievement|Maker]] awards were partly merged.
 
* The [[Easy Geohash]] which was degraded into a [term needed] (subjective achievement? I'd like to remove the term achievement).
 
* The [[Easy Geohash]] which was degraded into a [term needed] (subjective achievement? I'd like to remove the term achievement).
  
== Award Suggestions ==
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== Tracking Awards ==
Recent suggestions still being debated. Make a subsection if you have lots to say about your suggestion, else short description below.
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I visited the "Centurion" page only to sadly discover it's part of [[XKCD-100]]. Seems like we need some sort of Hash Counter and Saturday Hash Counter (or awards). I just hit my 5th hash (with only one Saturday meetup), and I'll keep going to 100, even if they aren't all Saturdays (or all at 4:00pm or ...)
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[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 13 June 2008
  
=== Highlander Geohash Achievement? ===
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I agree. They are getting hard to count, and I've only attempted 14.
  
As a fencer, I may be biased in considering this idea mildly awesome. Further, there are definite safety, liability, and standardization concerns which need to be considered before it could be successfully implemented.
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: Recommend starting a user-page and putting your hash-participation in a section, there.  Then it should be a simple matter to demark 5, 10, 25, 50, etc... [[User:Ted|Ted]] 21:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
  
Off the top of my head: (no pun intended)
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: Perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but the [[Xkcd_centurion_achievement | centurion award]] also works for numbers less than 100. I've currently made it to one saturday meetup so i added it to my page and it says, amusingly, nullaturion! i believe it goes to decurion when you get ten. [[User:Sermoa|--sermoa]] 20:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
  
-Safety concerns being most important, it should go without saying that only practice weapons are permitted. Standard padded practice attire (or acceptable analogues thereof) and facemasks for both participants are also a necessity. There are some concerns specific to fencing outdoors like weather conditions, ground conditions, heat stroke in the warmer climates, and public safety which must also be considered. Further, it stands to reason that attempting to attain a Highlander achievement would increase the likelihood of the geohashers involved satisfying the requirements necessary for a Police achievement. Thus, it would behoove any such geohashers to know their rights beforehand, and conduct themselves with the dignity, honor, and respect that their noble schools have no doubt instilled in them. Note, however, that it is ''always'' unwise to challenge an officer of the law to any duel or fencing contest in response to a perceived lack of the above mentioned virtues on their part.
 
  
-Different weapons and scoring techniques would make competition between foil and sabre practitioners (for example) difficult to judge. This problem would only be compounded by the inclusion of Kendo or other fencing traditions, yet their inclusion is essential to a true replication of highlander conditions. Possible solutions might be standardized rules of engagement, inclusion of other geohashers as arbiters, or agreement on specific terms before the contest. A combination of these solutions may be ideal.
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== Records vs achievements ==
  
-Really, anybody who bouts at geohash coordinates deserves an achievement, yet there can be only one. Perhaps there might be one achievement ribbon for the victor, along with a slightly less cephalic ribbon for the less fortunate participant?
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Just wondering if "records" wouldn't make more sense than "achievements" with arbitrary numerical values. Ie, rather than having an achievement for 100 different graticulas (a very big ask), why not just records for "most graticules". There are a few already (highest, lowest, hottest, etc...as well as most consecutive).
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:Object. Reason: Record holders will continue collecting more points, making it impossible to anyone else to gain that achievement, so one dedicated hasher takes the fun out of it for everyone else.
  
-Depending on the size and population density of the naval craft being used as a venue, it may be inappropriate, unsafe, or illegal to attempt to earn both the Water achievement and the Highlander achievement in one go. That said, given the existence of a Restricted Area achievement, a "Swashbuckling" achievement for the few pirates who have the means (Oil drill workers? Cruise ship crew? Messiahs?) seems to be indicated.
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A few other ideas:
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* Fastest (from time coordinate is announced)
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:Object. Has been discussed already and turned down for timezone issues. Depending on place and day of week, the coordinates are not even valid at the moment they come out. Also, in some timezones the coordinates come out in the middle of the night, so these people wouldn't have any chance. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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:: So have a record for each timezone. No reason a Melburnian has to compete with a New Yorker. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::You totally didn't get the point. It's not that some timezones have it more difficult, it's that "waiting for the coordinates and then run off" is simply impractical in many cases while standard in a few other. Australians would need to check the coordinates and run off if suitable in the middle of the night, which is basically not a good time to go to most destinations. In Europe, Asia, and everywhere for the weekend and NYSE holidays, the coordinates are ''not valid'' at the time they are announced. So if I would run off to make it a fast geohash, I'd get there on the wrong day, and need to come back the day after. And visiting the actual day's coordinates should always be preferred, that's basically what geohashing is about. Also, in the end it comes down to waiting for the nearest point which is covered by the Couch Potato honorable mention. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  
I look forward to the day when graticule pages come complete with the names of local duelists, so as to facilitate travel for epic battles in far-away lands ^_^
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* Furthest (from position when coordinate announced)
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:"useless-burning-of-fuel-and-driving-too-fast-achievement"? --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Heh.
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:::Well, actually, that would finally be taken by someone who does a long planned intercontinental flight on saturday and then goes hashing on sunday, and then never be looked at again. There's the globetrotter achievement for this case.
  
=== James Castle Award ===
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* Endurance (drop the 7 day requirement, just make it most consecutive without spending a night in the same place twice)
I saw an exhibit of [[google:James Charles Castle|James Castle]] art at the Philadelphia Museum last year, and he's been featured on television once or twice.  He was a self-taught artist who specialized in making things out of found objects and other materials most people would consider trash. This got me thinking: how about an award for art made from stuff found at/around a geohash?
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:See general note below.
  
=== Zoological Awards ===
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* Hashcram: most people assembled at the point at one time...
*Heffalump award: for getting a picture of an "unusual" animal. Unusual as in, squirrels and alley cats don't count. Animals in a zoo also don't qualify, unless the geohash is in their pen :-)
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:See phonebooth stuffing and migration --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
*Old McDonald award: for farm animals
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::Yeah, I found the phonebooth thing a bit weird. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Audobon award: for pictures of birds taken near the geohash. Minimum 3?
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:::Largest geohash and migration cover it anyway. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
*Jacque Cousteau: for pictures of aquatic life taken near a geohash. The geohash doesn't have to be in the water, but should be relatively close by.
 
*Go Diego Go award: for helping a wounded animal near a geohash.
 
  
BTW, I'm also looking for pictures of animals to add [[Wildlife|here]]. With geohashers on 5 continents, we should get a pretty good assortment :-). -- [[User:Jevanyn|Jevanyn]] 16:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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* Simultaneous: most people simultaneously at various hashes
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:Simultaneous as in at the very same moment? Timezone issue, and hardly organizable. [[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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::Hmm, how would you organise people in so many different places. Oh wait, I know...the internet! But I was actually thinking regionally - you can get quite a few graticules in one timezone. The whole eastern seabord of Australia is one timezone and is hundreds of graticules. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::In that case it comes down to saturday 4 pm which already is a preferred time. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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[[User:Stevage|Stevage]] 11:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
  
:I'd support an award for finding an animal at the geohash, but I think cats and squirrels should count. An animal just on the way, meh. I was also thinking of a more general "Look What I Found!" achievement, for when you get to a geohash and just want to tell the world what was there, without having to create an achievement for every bizarre thing that could be at a geohash. Maybe divide it into Animal, Mineral & Vegetable? -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 17:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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:Generally, record achievements are only suitable for a rather short time period. They start with ridiculously low numbers taken by people who didn't really try the achievement but just see they fulfilled the requirements by the word, slowly advancing, until someone does a real effort and sets a record so high that it takes all fun out of even trying for everyone else. At that time, the best thing would be to delete it and start all over again (which is not an option anyway). Which is why I generally do not like achievements based on beating a record, and will always argue against creating more of them. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  
::I don't think we need an achievement for interesting things/animals found at the hash. Also, even seemingly ordinary soil could be exciting for a geologist. Such an achievement would just be too subjective. If you stumble upon something unusual during your expedition, write about it in your expedition report. If it's unusual enough, you'll get a place in the Hall of Amazingness anyway. But I wouldn't oppose creating a "Look What I Found!" gallery page (similar to that recently created Wildlife gallery page). --[[User:Ilpadre|Ilpadre]] 17:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Maintenance ==
  
:::I understand the desire to put the brakes on too many "what's the point?" achievements, but you've just expressed an interest in a gallery of 'hey look at that' stuff. One of the advantages of achievements is that people like them, they collect them and thus without even knowing it, add themselves to a list on the category page. Compare the number of people listed in the "Winners" section to the number of Users linked to the category for any award, and you'll see what I mean. Perhaps we need a new category of ribbon that isn't an achievement, isn't a consolation prize, it's just there Serendipity Ribbon?  It would include the [[Easy Geohash]] the Animal (and Mineral & Vegetable) ribbons and so one. I don't see anything wrong with a geologist having a ribbon on his page commemorating a special kind of granite. Once upon a time I said that the relative difficulty or specialness of the achievements doesn't matter because people can compare for themselves the difficulty of parachuting onto the geohash versus writing a postcard there. And then someone independently created a [[Hashcard achievement|postcard achievement]] and it's great. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]] 18:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Is anyone else seeing any problems with the template for the [[Minesweeper_Geohash|Minesweeper Geohash]]? It looks like someone injected a link into the template somehow. [[User:Splitdipless|Splitdipless]] 23:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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:This was just generic spam, as occurs all over the wiki. An Undo on the template edit usually does for the moment - until the spammer strikes again. Actual solution is to protect the template. Joanna's job. --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
  
::::I love the idea of a 'look what I found' award. We could have a ribbon like the one for global hash achievement, where each section becomes colored as you achieve the individual portions. --[[User:Kate|Kate]] 21:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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== Icon re-use in phone apps ==
  
:::::Oh, I'm with my hashing buddy Kate, that sounds like fun. Just think of what the ribbon would look like...-- [[User:UnwiseOwl|UnwiseOwl]] 22:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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My next plan for the Geohash Droid Anrdoid app is to allow users to add achievements manually when posting to the wiki, something that people seem to have been asking for.  I'm right now designing an interface for it, part of which includes the icons used for the achievements themselves. Now, in lieu of downloading all the icons on-demand (unfeasible; this IS supposed to be on a phone, likely in the middle of nowhere, given the nature of geohashing, and besides, that'd just be a bit rude to the maintainers of the wiki), I'm considering putting all the icons in with the app itself.
  
=== Handshake ===
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My question is, do I have the right/permission to redistribute the achievement icons like that?  I'll note that many of the icons aren't Randall's work, thus I don't know for sure if they're all under the same CC license under which he puts the rest of XKCD. [[User:CaptainSpam|CaptainSpam]] 17:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  
Perhaps some sort of achievement for most people met? Many of the late Boston crew might be tempted to return to Geohashing to claim it ;)  This seems different than Kevin Bacon (above), but somehow related... --[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 21:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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You have the right to do anything you like with anything I've designed, mostly mine are taken from Randalls's work anyway. You probably will have to ask ilpadre and other creators directly. We've been pretty militant about not using things we don't have rights to, e.g. geotrashing achievement was changed because of this. -[[User:Robyn|Robyn]]
  
== Tracking Awards ==
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== Achievements for Previous Hashes ==
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I would like some clarification on this. Do you still get an achievement if the hash reached was not that day's hash? I don't mean the origin/displaced origin achievements, but the ordinary ones. If not then I think that there should be more awards for previous Hashes. 
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--[[User:Mnm7198|Mnm7198]] 17:07, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
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:This is called "Retro-hashing."  In general it is not encouraged, as going to TODAY's hashpoint is what we want to have happen.  There are a couple cases, such as you mentioned, as well as Geohashing day where it can come into play.  If you have other folks in your graticule, you can all go for a retro-hash together, and that sort of thing is encouraged as an "alternate meeting point" which is better than going to a point that wasn't generated at all.  [[User:Jiml|Jiml]] 17:30, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
  
I visited the "Centurion" page only to sadly discover it's part of [[XKCD-100]]. Seems like we need some sort of Hash Counter and Saturday Hash Counter (or awards). I just hit my 5th hash (with only one Saturday meetup), and I'll keep going to 100, even if they aren't all Saturdays (or all at 4:00pm or ...)
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:This is pretty clear - no achievements for [[Retrohash]]es, except of the few ones which are explicitely made for them. It's an integral part of geohashing, that you need to visit the one and unpredictable set of coordinates of that day, instead of some arbitrary covenient point you choose from about 30000 known choices per graticule with all time you need to plan. Where's the challenge in doing so, anyway? --[[User:Ekorren|Ekorren]] 17:23, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
[[User:Thomcat|Thomcat]] 13 June 2008
 
  
I agree. They are getting hard to count, and I've only attempted 14.
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== Achievements Pages Clean Up ==
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* I have visited every page linked from the Achievement list and tried to improve usability and consistency.
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** Add "[[:Category:Achievement award templates]]" where this is missing.
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** Put a link to the template at the top of the page, not in the nether regions of hell.
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** Some have no template. I have added a template.
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** Some are undocumented. I have documented these.
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** Fix anything else that looks odd or inconsistent.
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** The ribbon template links were all over the place. Now they are all at the top of the page.
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--[[User:Sourcerer|Sourcerer]] ([[User talk:Sourcerer|talk]]) 09:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
  
: Recommend starting a user-page and putting your hash-participation in a section, thereThen it should be a simple matter to demark 5, 10, 25, 50, etc... [[User:Ted|Ted]] 21:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Thanks, Sourcerer!  It all looks much better— <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Benjw|Benjw]]</span>&nbsp; <sub>{[[User talk:Benjw|talk]]}</sub> 09:36, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 19:58, 15 January 2022

This page was getting crowded with suggestions that have already been implemented. I've deleted/condensed a lot of old talk so that we can FIND the new talk. If I deleted something you were attached to, you know where the history tab is. -Robyn 15:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

First geocache

I feel that for many people reaching there first ever geocache feels like an achievement and it seems worthy of an official achievement to me. Suggested titles "Babies first geocache" (actually that one might be confused with bringing your baby with you to a geocache) Let's keep it simple "My First time" --The George 05:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

First timers inevitably get one of the land or water or air ribbons (usually land, but I can think of those who didn't) and that serves that purpose well. I don't think a new first time ribbon is required. -Robyn 01:57, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Award Icons

Matt suggested icons. DONE.

Discussion of various now-implemented icons and templates deleted.

-- user:Robyn, 15:38 UTC 10 December 2008

Proof

Proof criteria determined.

If the author of an achievement wants to limit it, they can. If not, not. It's all pretty-much honor system, anyway. Ted 02:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


Am I correct in assuming you have to reach coords to claim most of these awards? "Reach" being a subjective term anyway, depending on your brand/age(/lack of) GPS. Awards you don't have to reach coords for:

Consolation prizes
  • Correct: I don't think you qualify for these if you DO reach the coordinates.
Hashcard
  • Correct, from the Hashcard proof section: "You can earn this achievement without reaching the coordinates, but not without seriously trying to get as near as possible."
Admit One
  • Correct, "You are still eligible for the award even if the exact location was ultimately inaccessible, e.g. inside the lion enclosure at the zoo, or on the actual playing field at a sports event."
Counting towards XKCD-centurion
  • Sort of correct: you must either meet people or achieve the coordinates.

Please add any others.

  • Or conversely if you have "sponsored" an award and intended it to be only for people who reached the geohash, make sure that it makes that clear in the achievement text.

Oh, and reaching. So if you have a GPS, then within the margin error of your GPS. If not, identifying the location in some way via google maps or similar. --joannac 00:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I'd be somewhat unimpressed by someone who claimed a major award, like Centurion, or some very difficult geohashes without a GPS unless there was some very strenuous proof involved. I know from experience that "250 m into the bushes from where this road meets that one" can be way way more than 250 good paces into the woods. It's all honour system, really, but one honours some claims more than others. -Robyn 03:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Organization of Achievements Page

Page reorganized a couple of times as the list grew.

Philosophy of New Achievements

Seems kinda silly to me to have an award for every single mildly interesting situation that might happen during a geohash. What's the point of having five hundred achievements? Keep it simple. --Joel 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, at least for now. Let's let this evolve in "brainstorming" mode, and let it self-organize for a while. After some time has passed, we can see how things are shaping up and then present ideas for organization. For now, though, I'd hate to quash anyone's creative muse just because someone else thinks it's too silly. Heck, it is the Spontaneous Adventure Generator, after all, and a silly-grin is part of the proof-photo requirement...! Ted 02:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Creating New Achievements

This page has been superseded by Proposed achievements. Do not post new proposals here.

If there is a non-implemented achievement here that you would like to see happen, follow the proposal guidelines there and write up a good description of how the achievement should work on its own page with the Category:Proposed achievements, and then edit the page in response to any objections you get. -Robyn 23:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You may also just leave a short note of your idea on Talk:Proposed achievements, that's where I moved all the non yet implemented ideas mentioned somewhere on this page. --HiroProtagonist 21:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Implemented Suggestions

Deleted, Merged, Rejected or Downgraded Achievements

Achievements that have been actively removed or rejected.

I think it's not a bad idea to go through the list from time to time. You'll often come up with an idea which seems good enough for an achievement, and notice later that it's just not being accepted. -- Relet 00:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I totally support deletion of the subjective achievements. -Robyn 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I support deletion of superfluous and unused achievements. Nemo 13:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't just delete unused achievements if they are hard. They can be something to strive for even if someone hasn't got them yet. -Robyn 01:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Strip Club Geohash - boring (probably unless you actually hit one). But then you could just create one of these for anything you visit.
    • I disagree. A strip-club is unusual enough and "off color" enough that having one's geohash spot fall on one is an event worthy of "hey, that's a good story" and sharing with friends. IMO, that makes it a good candidate for an achievement. It's like the graveyard one -- graveyards are far more common than strip-clubs, but the're still "off beat" enough that you'd tell your friends "you won't believe this: the spot was IN A GRAVEYARD, today!"
    • Dogging site? - Sorry - I'll get my coat.

"Good stories" are geohash achievements, IMO. 64.74.213.98 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Smoking Geohash - not actually difficult to achieve, and not that unusual that it could be called interesting.
    • I disagree and, hence, removed the delete tag, and placed my defense on the talk page (per delete-tag instructions.) 64.74.213.98 14:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
  • The underpants geohash which was merged with Geoflashing
  • The MacGyver and Maker awards were partly merged.
  • The Easy Geohash which was degraded into a [term needed] (subjective achievement? I'd like to remove the term achievement).

Tracking Awards

I visited the "Centurion" page only to sadly discover it's part of XKCD-100. Seems like we need some sort of Hash Counter and Saturday Hash Counter (or awards). I just hit my 5th hash (with only one Saturday meetup), and I'll keep going to 100, even if they aren't all Saturdays (or all at 4:00pm or ...) Thomcat 13 June 2008

I agree. They are getting hard to count, and I've only attempted 14.

Recommend starting a user-page and putting your hash-participation in a section, there. Then it should be a simple matter to demark 5, 10, 25, 50, etc... Ted 21:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps i'm misunderstanding you, but the centurion award also works for numbers less than 100. I've currently made it to one saturday meetup so i added it to my page and it says, amusingly, nullaturion! i believe it goes to decurion when you get ten. --sermoa 20:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Records vs achievements

Just wondering if "records" wouldn't make more sense than "achievements" with arbitrary numerical values. Ie, rather than having an achievement for 100 different graticulas (a very big ask), why not just records for "most graticules". There are a few already (highest, lowest, hottest, etc...as well as most consecutive).

Object. Reason: Record holders will continue collecting more points, making it impossible to anyone else to gain that achievement, so one dedicated hasher takes the fun out of it for everyone else.

A few other ideas:

  • Fastest (from time coordinate is announced)
Object. Has been discussed already and turned down for timezone issues. Depending on place and day of week, the coordinates are not even valid at the moment they come out. Also, in some timezones the coordinates come out in the middle of the night, so these people wouldn't have any chance. --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
So have a record for each timezone. No reason a Melburnian has to compete with a New Yorker. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
You totally didn't get the point. It's not that some timezones have it more difficult, it's that "waiting for the coordinates and then run off" is simply impractical in many cases while standard in a few other. Australians would need to check the coordinates and run off if suitable in the middle of the night, which is basically not a good time to go to most destinations. In Europe, Asia, and everywhere for the weekend and NYSE holidays, the coordinates are not valid at the time they are announced. So if I would run off to make it a fast geohash, I'd get there on the wrong day, and need to come back the day after. And visiting the actual day's coordinates should always be preferred, that's basically what geohashing is about. Also, in the end it comes down to waiting for the nearest point which is covered by the Couch Potato honorable mention. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Furthest (from position when coordinate announced)
"useless-burning-of-fuel-and-driving-too-fast-achievement"? --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh.
Well, actually, that would finally be taken by someone who does a long planned intercontinental flight on saturday and then goes hashing on sunday, and then never be looked at again. There's the globetrotter achievement for this case.
  • Endurance (drop the 7 day requirement, just make it most consecutive without spending a night in the same place twice)
See general note below.
  • Hashcram: most people assembled at the point at one time...
See phonebooth stuffing and migration --Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I found the phonebooth thing a bit weird. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Largest geohash and migration cover it anyway. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Simultaneous: most people simultaneously at various hashes
Simultaneous as in at the very same moment? Timezone issue, and hardly organizable. Ekorren 11:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, how would you organise people in so many different places. Oh wait, I know...the internet! But I was actually thinking regionally - you can get quite a few graticules in one timezone. The whole eastern seabord of Australia is one timezone and is hundreds of graticules. Stevage 01:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In that case it comes down to saturday 4 pm which already is a preferred time. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Stevage 11:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Generally, record achievements are only suitable for a rather short time period. They start with ridiculously low numbers taken by people who didn't really try the achievement but just see they fulfilled the requirements by the word, slowly advancing, until someone does a real effort and sets a record so high that it takes all fun out of even trying for everyone else. At that time, the best thing would be to delete it and start all over again (which is not an option anyway). Which is why I generally do not like achievements based on beating a record, and will always argue against creating more of them. --Ekorren 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Maintenance

Is anyone else seeing any problems with the template for the Minesweeper Geohash? It looks like someone injected a link into the template somehow. Splitdipless 23:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

This was just generic spam, as occurs all over the wiki. An Undo on the template edit usually does for the moment - until the spammer strikes again. Actual solution is to protect the template. Joanna's job. --Ekorren 00:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Icon re-use in phone apps

My next plan for the Geohash Droid Anrdoid app is to allow users to add achievements manually when posting to the wiki, something that people seem to have been asking for. I'm right now designing an interface for it, part of which includes the icons used for the achievements themselves. Now, in lieu of downloading all the icons on-demand (unfeasible; this IS supposed to be on a phone, likely in the middle of nowhere, given the nature of geohashing, and besides, that'd just be a bit rude to the maintainers of the wiki), I'm considering putting all the icons in with the app itself.

My question is, do I have the right/permission to redistribute the achievement icons like that? I'll note that many of the icons aren't Randall's work, thus I don't know for sure if they're all under the same CC license under which he puts the rest of XKCD. CaptainSpam 17:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You have the right to do anything you like with anything I've designed, mostly mine are taken from Randalls's work anyway. You probably will have to ask ilpadre and other creators directly. We've been pretty militant about not using things we don't have rights to, e.g. geotrashing achievement was changed because of this. -Robyn

Achievements for Previous Hashes

I would like some clarification on this. Do you still get an achievement if the hash reached was not that day's hash? I don't mean the origin/displaced origin achievements, but the ordinary ones. If not then I think that there should be more awards for previous Hashes. --Mnm7198 17:07, 11 April 2012 (EDT)


This is called "Retro-hashing." In general it is not encouraged, as going to TODAY's hashpoint is what we want to have happen. There are a couple cases, such as you mentioned, as well as Geohashing day where it can come into play. If you have other folks in your graticule, you can all go for a retro-hash together, and that sort of thing is encouraged as an "alternate meeting point" which is better than going to a point that wasn't generated at all. Jiml 17:30, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
This is pretty clear - no achievements for Retrohashes, except of the few ones which are explicitely made for them. It's an integral part of geohashing, that you need to visit the one and unpredictable set of coordinates of that day, instead of some arbitrary covenient point you choose from about 30000 known choices per graticule with all time you need to plan. Where's the challenge in doing so, anyway? --Ekorren 17:23, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Achievements Pages Clean Up

  • I have visited every page linked from the Achievement list and tried to improve usability and consistency.
    • Add "Category:Achievement award templates" where this is missing.
    • Put a link to the template at the top of the page, not in the nether regions of hell.
    • Some have no template. I have added a template.
    • Some are undocumented. I have documented these.
    • Fix anything else that looks odd or inconsistent.
    • The ribbon template links were all over the place. Now they are all at the top of the page.

--Sourcerer (talk) 09:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT)

Thanks, Sourcerer! It all looks much better. — Benjw  {talk} 09:36, 22 July 2015 (EDT)