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Organization / automation questions

So, we now have date pages (2008-06-07), date-bound templates for the day's expedition images ({{Expedition Images/2008-06-07}}), categories for the day's meetups (Category:Meetup on 2008-06-07 -- not all of which have been 'created', even though most if not all are in use). We also have the "Recent and Upcoming Coordinates" and "Gallery of Recent Expeditions" sections on the front page. There are likely other daily-maintenance-type things I'm not aware of (archiving? Creation of the supercategories like Category:Meetup in 2008-06?).

I'd be more than willing to work on automating some/all of the above, if people are interested -- I know tjtrumpet2323 mentioned that he doesn't mind doing the manual update of the front-page coordinates, and that it would likely be handled by a template eventually (once the mediawiki daily coords implementation was done) anyway. I've been playing with api.php a bit recently, and most of the automation is reasonably simple. But I don't want to step on any toes (explicitly including rpm's, since I'm not sure how kindly he'll take to people running bots against the wiki).

Additionally: It would be trivial, once images are categorized by meetup date (very few are currently) to randomly swap out the pictures that have been picked for the day's Expedition Images. But this introduces the question of whether a second (editorial, not automatic) category should be created for "best of the day" to use as the pool (assuming the consensus is "automation is good", rather than "keep it editorial, like it already is"), instead of pictures like Image:2008-06-01_37_-121-Tapin-2.JPG.

Thoughts?

--Tapin 20:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see a lot more automation done, and was considering writing my own bots to do some of it. But considering my other workload, I'm not sure when that will happen. One thing I'd be worried about is creating pages just to fill in the dates, without actually having content for them. Your comment about editorial content also stands - any bots should be willing to accept imposed content. Zigdon 21:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The main reason pages such as Template:Expeditions/2008-06-12 exist is to allow inclusion on pages such as 2008-06. Now that the date pages pretty much only contained templated-in content, they're practically unnecessary. However, from a template-coding standpoint, Template:Date nav is easier to code when the page titles are simple, like 2008-06-12. Does anyone know if there's a way of transcluding (templating) pages in the Main namespace? (I have more thoughts on this section's topic as a whole, but have to leave for now.) --Tim P 15:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You can transclude anything, not just templates. Use {{:Main Page}} to transclude the main page, for example. Mike.lifeguard 00:26, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Mike.lifeguard. I didn't realise the colon notation extended to transclusion. I think when I create the date pages for the weekend in a few hours' time, I'll just create YYYY-MM-DD pages and not bother with Template:Expeditions/YYYY-MM-DD. I'd be willing to go back through the three weeks of pages and move data around... as well as to clean up the includes... seeing how I did 90% of them to begin with. Any thoughts? --Tim P 06:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a year-old question but I've never seen this answer given, and I think it might be a good compromise between automatic selection of unsuitable images and frequent adventurers hogging the front page. When uploading pictures, add something like a Nominated for front page category to your showpiece picture, and the automation randomly displays no more than one such nominated picture from each expedition for any given date. -Robyn 15:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Automated Transclusion Implemented

I did some automating/optimising stuff over the weekend. The Template:Expeditions/YYYY-MM-DD pages are to be completely discontinued from 17 June, as meetups are now included on the date pages themselves (YYYY-MM-DD, e.g., 2008-06-16). I even went back and copied stuff over for continuity's sake. As far as the image gallery templates go, I automated a template/script to show the current (UTC) day and the three prior for use on Main Page. It uses the new syntax {{Expedition Images|YYYY-MM-DD}} which includes Template:Expedition Images/YYYY-MM-DD (note the slash), along with the appropriate header (based on page context) if the template exists, or a "start this gallery"-type message if it doesn't. It also provides a "direct edit" link to the template from the date pages. --Tim P 05:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts? You may note that I opted not to provide a "direct edit" link in instances where {{Expedition Images|YYYY-MM-DD}} are transcluded on Main Page, more so out of fear of the page's visibility than anything. I suppose that most potential spambots would give up on the write-protected page and not follow any "direct edit" link we'd put right on that page, but you never know. I would be perfectly willing to put such a link back into the template if consensus deems wise (i.e., people agree here) or if convention deems necessary (i.e., people get fed up with hunting for an edit link). My initial fears could be totally ridiculous, and I'm totally willing to admit that. --Tim P 05:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I like it very much, awesome effort sir. The 'add your own photo' is pretty clearly findable on the YYYY-MM-DD pages. If that is not enough, then a comment in the source on the Main_Page directing people appropriately should be the next step IMHO. See how it fares? :) --Nemo 11:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Only current thought now... the automatic 'start the gallery' link means the previous days gallery (with the heklpful comments) don't get copied over... I wonder if people are just more likely to blindly start a gallery now rather than copy the comment hints too? I don't think think content can be automated into there though can it? May not be a problem anyway, wait and see? --Nemo 11:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a show stopper, but I just discovered a timing point. We here in the east side of the 30W rule have pics for today already uploaded (8:20am local time, 17th June), but it's still 40minutes before UTC rolls over to the 17th and the frontpage gets the 'create a gallery for the 17th' type link. No biggie, it just limits our bragging rights! ;P --Nemo 22:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Because of the limited number of morning-time meetups, I figured that 00:00 UTC was still a reasonable time to switch over because, as Template:Recent Images says, it's "reasonably mid-day for the easternmost time zones," i.e., 12:00 or 13:00 in New Zealand depending on DST. Not to mention, it's immensely easier to program a switch at 00:00 UTC than at any other time on this wiki. Photos uploaded to the designated gallery before 00:00 UTC still get to be at the top of the images section for a full 24 hours, so yeah, it really isn't a big deal. --Tim P 18:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

yup. I was just being needlessly pedantic. ;) However, I do have a thought - thuogh don't know if it's possible. At the moment it displays the last 4 days, but in fact it seems more often than not, when I see it the currentday gallery is still waiting for the first image - so we only see three days. Can you check for the existance of the CURRENTDAY gallery - and if it doesn't exist, then also include CURRENTDAY -4 days. That way we get 4 days of actual pictures at all times (which I think works best, imho 3 is a little too small a showcase through the week). The -4days gallery automatically rolls off then not at 00:00UTC, but when the currentday gallery is created... :) --Nemo 00:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

DONE and IMPLEMENTED. See Template:Recent Images for specifics. Great idea, Nemo. --Tim P 03:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

~~There is a problem with the pages that show links to the expeditions by month: 2008-08 --Hermann 20:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)~~

re-organise the frontpage

I'd like to propose that now that geohashing is a few months mature in the wider internet, that the need to explain what it is in detail on the top of the front page of the wiki is diminished.

My humble opinion is that most people hitting the front wiki now are familiar with geohashing, or if new (less likely after that post-announcement rush), are more likely to be able to find detailed info after an initial introduction.

So how about a frontpage reorganise with this all in mind? Currently, the front page TOC looks like

What is this?
How it works
1. Official xkcd meetups
2. Unofficial invitations
Active Graticules
Implementations
Recent and Upcoming Coordinates
Gallery of Recent Expeditions
Known Issues
FAQ
Related Projects

I propose that it be reformatted to something closer to these lines...

What is this?
Who, Where, When and How?
Recent and Upcoming Coordinates
Gallery of Recent Expeditions
FAQ

In this layout, 'how it works', 'official' and 'unofficial', 'active graticules' and 'implementations' would all be summarised to one smaller section of 'who, where, when and how'. Known issues should be linked merely as a FAQ question (maybe the first one). Finally, 'Related Projects' would be a link to, rather than inclusion of, the community portal.

It'd probably be worth mocking up an actual example, but not for me at 1am... :)

Further thoughts? (obviously what I'm proposing is a rather major change to the wiki navigation, so please, nobody make any such changes till there has been a chance for fair objections to be discussed. --Nemo 15:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I do think that much of the boilerplate can be cut down and/or farmed out to links, e.g., the FAQ (though I haven't done that in my prototype, it could certainly be added). Quite frankly, I think that just about everything static on Main Page should be transcluded anyway, if it's not going to change much. That way, people wouldn't have to deal with the formatting code on any new Main Page.

I'd been thinking of this for a while, and have a Wikipedia-like prototype (with a tad bit of out-of-date content) at User:Tjtrumpet2323/sandbox/Main Page (actually most of the code is taken straight from their Main Page). Please leave comments on my prototype at its talk page, while leaving comments on the general idea of reorganisation here. Thanks! --Tim P 15:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Having only heard positive feedback thusfar, if I hear no further discussion, I intend to replace Main Page with an up-to-date User:Tjtrumpet2323/sandbox/Main Page on Friday 11 July at some time between 13:00 and 16:00 UTC. If you have any suggestions for improvements to the layout of the prototype, please let me know on its talk page. --Tim P 03:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

What stopped this happening? Your proposed front page looks awesome, I hope you implement it soon. --Kieran 10:48, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I think there were problems with the server being slow at the time. I might go back through and try to merge the information from the current Main Page with my sandbox version, and re-propose the change. But I don't think that's really quite necessary anymore. --Tim P 02:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

problem with iPhone version

Here in Lisbon, Portugal, the iPhone version always gives the same coordinates in the midle of the ocean:

LAT: 38.557176 LONG: -9.228286

Does this happens to someone else, in some other place?

Yes, this also happens on my iPhone - Scottkuma 14:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I have been using the iPhone app to attempt to geohash over the past week whilst away on holidays with no internet access, but have just discovered that this app almost always yields a completely different set of co-ordinates to the Peeron version online. Can anyone shed any light on this? --CJ 22:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Degrees of Separation

I meet geohashers from my graticule and nearby ones, and they meet geohashers from ones near them in the other direction, and so on. It would be cool if there were a tool to see how many degrees of separation existed between any two geohashers. Just an idea. -Robyn 19:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It would probably be pretty close to actual physical "degrees" of separation between graticules, unless you have a lot of people travelling! --Tim P 04:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I know of geohashers from two North American graticules heading to Germany, a German one gong to Chile and another German one who regularly goes to Finland. Maybe it's about your physical separation from Germany. :-). -Robyn 04:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

And one who went to Germany recently :) Go intercontinental geohashers! --Thomcat 13:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Geohashing around the world

I am about to go backpacking in Europe for a couple of months and I have been pondering as to how best Geohash around the world.

My first thought is that I will be flying half way around the world and I figure that there must be some chance of flying over a hash point! Can anyone think of a way I could log my journey and check it against the graticules? Or is there another way of doing it?

If you have a GPS that's only a GPS - so, no phone or other device with a sender - the airline will probably allow you to operate it on the plane. You could then check the tracklog against the actual coordinate fractions. But do ask, because the stewards may mistake it for a phone and cause trouble on the way. And don't forget the fractions will change when crossing the 30W line.

Of course, if you don't tell anybody, you might just log the whole flight. It works best with an external antenna (so that you can turn it right face up) sticking out of your front seat pocket, close to the window. see -> http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=44569 -- relet 13:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, I was wondering if anyone knows if my GPS will work in Europe or if I need to download something else to make it work? It is a Garmin 60.

The only technical differences between an american version and an european version of a Garmin GPS are the maps included (if any) and, with some models, the language support. Your GPS will need some time to recalibrate when first switched on after the flight but that's all of it. There are plenty of people in Germany who use american versions, as until a few months ago Garmin sold them much cheaper in the US than here.

Thank you, and I am look forward to finding random spots overseas! Kate 12:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

If you know your plans long enough in advance, don't forget to announce them - there might be a chance for a real meetup :) --Ekorren 12:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. -- relet 13:12, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

When I fly, I get the coordinates of the day and then just keep updating the number before the decimal point to see if I'm going to hit the next one. You won't be allowed to use your electronic GPS receiver for takeoff and landing, but in cruise, you can see if it will work. It may or may not. (I sit in the front and have a wider view of the sky). If it has a mode to record tracks you could painstakingly go through the data afterwards, but the chance of getting right on a point is pretty small. Unless, that is, you meet the flight crew before hand and manage to sell them on the geohashing concept. Just make sure you're not misinterpreted as trying to hijack the plane. "Take this plane to N23°03'59.29", W82°15'20.45"!" -Robyn 12:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Cuba! I think I'll be in serious trouble if the flight from Sydney to London ends up there!! Kate 13:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Your GPS will receive satellite signals and calculate position anywhere in the world (it will take a while to figure it out after travelling so far, though) but if it shows roads and points of interest on the screen, and you use those, you may need to download local maps for it.

Edit conflict -- someone else has already answered while I was typing, but I'll add this anyway. -Robyn 12:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The chance of getting a hashpoint in random flight is not that small for Kate. The 10 arc seconds rule for an air geohash leads to a 1:360 chance for every graticule crossed. From Sydney to e.g. London it is 150° longitude and 85° latitude, i.e. the chance of reaching a hashpoint is more than 50% on the flight. (It could be >95% if enough people would support my proposal here, because I've been having the GPS-logger-on-a-plane-idea for a long time. /end advertising). - Danatar 13:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm back from over seas, but I found that my GPS did not work at all. I tried it in the UK, in France, Germany, all over Europe, in cities and in the country and it couldn't find any satellites. Perhaps there was an international button I needed to press? It has worked perfectly back in Australia again--Kate 20:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh noes! I am quite curious about possible explanations. -- relet 20:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The only explanation I could think of is that it failed to do a cold restart. When travelling for more than a few hundred km with a switched-off GPS, it needs to reinitialize from start like when first switched on. There's a technical reason for that based in the kind of signal the satellites send. In such a case, my old GPS (a first generation Garmin Etrex) first seems to find no satellites (it actually tries to get rid of some supposed measuring error), then, after several minutes of no fix, notices that something doesn't sum up from the saved values and asks whether I moved for a longer distance. If I reply with "yes", it forgets everything and starts reinitialization. Maybe you just didn't wait long enough and switched it off again before it could adapt itself to Europe? --Ekorren 20:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

No, good try, but that can't be it- I left it turned on for 2 hours in the outskirts of London one day (and it was 'searching' the whole time. --Kate 21:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Map links

Lately, the map links always seem to come up showing Massachusetts, no matter what place the links were intended to go to. Dtobias 06:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

IIRC I heard something about Google changing their API, and no one has fixed the calculator yet. --The ru 08:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Main page restructure

Right now (January 2009) we're rearranging some of the "static" pages, including the main page. It might seem a bit confusing at first, but we think the end result will be an improvement for both new users and regulars. If you disagree with anything we've done, post here, join #geohashing or just change it for the better! --The ru 15:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the main page rearrange, but I don't think the quotes (except maybe the one about enjoying it pointlessly) and the hall of amazingness belong in How it Works. Maybe a highlights page off the main page? -Robyn 08:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'd like to see the quotes (randomly rotating,either auto or manually) on the front page, in the very top section under "welcome to the geohashing wiki" as they really give a feel for the game. Any thoughts? -- UnwiseOwl 01:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Auto doesn't look like it's going to happen (discussion is on my talk page). It'll at least make people laugh at how insane we all are. --joannac 02:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That's enough for me. Implemented. -- UnwiseOwl 02:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

My Vision of the Future

I'm poking around today, putting categories on photos, linking expeditions to their proper graticule and user pages, and creating expedition pages from rough notes on graticule pages. Some people don't want to do all this post expedition, and I don't really blame them. I envision an expedition upload form that does all this automatically. You tell it the date and graticule of the expedition and the names of the participants, you give it a list of pictures to upload and fill in the text of the report, then boom, everything is linked and categorized. You could enter all your expedition text on the upload form, or you could go back and edit the graticule, user or expedition pages the normal way. As you uploaded your photographs there could even be a checkbox to 'nominate this photo for the main page gallery'. If fewer than 4/8/12 photos were so nominated all would display, and if more, they could be chosen randomly, or weighted for users or graticules that hadn't had a photo in the gallery lately.

Is this possible? Is this an incredible amount of work? -Robyn 21:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I like your vision! It takes me forever to upload all the things and get all the links right. Then lovely people still have to come along behind me and clean up! --Kate 21:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I think a wiki is not set up for that kind of thing - the whole point of a wiki is that you can edit every little bit of it. Maybe someone can write a front-end page that will generate everything in proper wikicode format, which you can then cope and paste? I'm not sure if wiki code allows such interactivity.

It's a simple enough website to write - I could probably do it if I didn't have a report due soon. --joannac 21:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh I didn't want to limit anyone's ability to edit every little thing. It's just a front-end indeed that I wanted. Copy and paste would do one page. -Robyn 22:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

You want a template. Like perhaps {{expedition}}. Anthony 21:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:Expedition is definitely heading along the path towards that future. It replaces what generic cut and paste text, but the template still doesn't cross reference the expedition, and the template isn't the path of least resistance for the new geohasher who wants to show off his or her expedition without doing all that wiki stuff. Or the old geohasher who wants to upload the stuff and go to bed after a five hour expedition. I'm the one who harps on this and I forgot to link some of my expeditions into their respective graticule pages. It's a lot to do after biking or wading through swamps all day. Also while Template:Expedition is remarkably easy to use, at first glance it appears to be something complicated you have to know what to do with. I'm not sure a new geohasher would really start with it. I've not caught many using it (you can tell when people are using it, because the first save creates weird categories) who aren't experienced geowiki users. -Robyn 22:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it is technically possible, although I am already in my pyj... er... I mean, it could be done, yes. But getting it all to function reliably (have a remote website upload an image to the wiki, stuff like that) and wrap it in an HTML form that's simple enough not to scare off newbies, but also flexible enough so anyone other than newbies would want to use it... that's going to take a lot of work, and I guess it would still be used only very rarely. Also, graticule and user pages don't have a standardised layout, so the envisioned Geohash Expedition Report Wizard would have to guess where to put in the links. The template isn't very useful either, imo... I just reuse the wikicode from a previous expedition. If newbies can't be bothered to read and follow the excellent expedition writeup guidelines, I think I don't want to read their reports ;-) --dawidi 22:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I thought that it would hurl the links into a standardly named section. On graticule pages and userpages where no one cared they would just stay there, and where people cared they would rearrange them according to their preferences. I might not want to read their reports, but I'd like to have easily findable evidence that they went. -Robyn 23:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It could even be implemented in some kind of {{auto expedition}} Template. What I am thinking of is to extend Template:Expedition with some pointers to the pages where you would like to cross-link your expedition. They would appear as dead red links, until you actually edit them. -- relet 23:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah! Or normal blue/purple links if they exist. That's in line with my vision. -Robyn 23:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm so confused...

This is a great idea, but I'm confused. How do people meet up when everyone's coords are different? Is there one specific location for each graticule that is used each time? Also, is there a calculator somewhere I can use?

The fractional part of everyone's coordinates are the same - that means that people in an area of 1 degree latitude x 1 degree longitude can meet up. That's what we call a graticule. There's a map which shows the graticules and the hash for any given date here. Just zoom to your area and click - a pink square should show up with the location for today. It's the same for everyone in this area. HTH, -- relet 09:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

New User Comments

Wade says he finds the wiki very confusing. He wants My Home Graticule to be a navigation box link, with the home graticule set in User preferences. It's actually incredibly diffiult for a new user to answer the question, "is anyone doing anything in my city on Saturday?" Try it, knowing nothing, and just clicking on links that look promising. Is there a way to have any expedition for today or a future date with the Expedition planning category to automatially be linked to the current events page? -Robyn 05:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

You could link to the Category:Expedition Planning on Current Events. Unfortunately, you can't include categories into the page text itself. -- relet 19:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately that category is often dominated by planned but never attended meetups, so would not give a good picture. It's not so bad now, as Joannac just did a cleanout, but definitely wasn't the clean "what's going on in my neighbourhood?" answer he wanted. -Robyn 04:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't clean out many planning expedition. They're all sitting there pending further discussion. Also, it's not ingrained for people to actually create a page before they go, yet. --joannac 06:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Coordinate History

Just curious if there's a page that lists every official Geohash coordinate since the start (2008-05-21)? If so, it'd be neat if that page could then be templated to a particular graticule, and going further, taking all those points and mapping them to see where every Geohash in your graticule has occurred. I'm pretty sure I could create the list of official coordinates as well as a templated version to add the graticule and corresponding map links, but I wouldn't know how to take all the coordinates and map them into one view of the graticule. Thoughts? --Wenslayer 05:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Argh, sorry, just found Talk:Main Page/Archive 3#Complete list of historical locations including link to Geohashing historical data [amipsychic.net]. --Wenslayer 06:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Check it out: User:Wenslayer/KMLGenerator. --Wenslayer 08:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

IRC Chat

Anyone think it would be a good idea to drop this link: Join Geohashing chat now in the main page? Mibbit is an irc chat over http, doesn't require a java applet to be installed etc.

Nooo! I use that link all the time to get to chat and I would be very confused if it all of a sudden I wasn't in Chatzilla. I think most people who are likely to want to use IRC chat wouldn't want their default client overridden. Maybe change the one in Help:Contents. -Robyn 19:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually i was thinking of having the link in addition to the existing one, so that people who don't have an irc client can join easily. --Xore 19:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I am on the fence about that. Most people who know what IRC is will either already have their clients set up, or want to use their own. Since it isn't very descriptive about what an "IRC channel" is, it might be better to leave it alone. However, I think we do want the geohashing Main Page to be as user (read non-geek) friendly as possible, so having a link to mibbit might be beneficial. Maybe a compromise: Join #geohashing chat on foonetic now or with your own IRC client. --aperfectring 20:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

#geo#ing :) --Xore 20:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Join #geohashing chat on foonetic with your own IRC client or using mibbit. -- relet 20:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC) (suggesting this order of things)

The order doesn't matter to me, but someone who doesn't know about IRC probably doesn't know what "mibbit" is. Maybe "using your web browser" instead? --aperfectring 20:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

test

someone with access to the wiki backend is welcome to replace the timestamp generator with something that will create a smaller random number --Xore 20:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

No worries about needing a smaller random number, the guestXXXX nicks aren't really any shorter, if I remember rightly. --aperfectring 20:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Until we get a more geohashing-centric nick system working completely, I have included the generic link on Template:Getting_Started and Help:Contents --aperfectring 23:00, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

How about this? -- relet 08:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried it 3 times and got different ones each time, so it looks good to me. Out of curiosity, how many different options are there? --aperfectring 12:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The YAWL wordlist used contains 264097 entries. And they all look good with geo-. Well, mostly. -- relet 12:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Well that might be enough for now, but if we start getting all popular, you might want to think about increasing that. <.< >.> Note: If 500 people click that link, there is an approx. 50% chance that two will have get the same nick, assuming that the selection is sufficiently random, and no type of exclusion list is used. My main concern, though, is if "people" is included in that list. That could prove disastrous for my typical greeting and farewell. --aperfectring 13:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed update to 1st sentences.

Proposal:

On the main page, I'd like to move the sentence "Geohashing is a method for finding an effectively random location nearby and visiting it, i.e. a Spontaneous Adventure Generator" from its current location above the random quote to being the first sentence in the "What is this?" section.

Discussion:

I occasionally direct geohashing n00bs to the wiki as a way of introduction. Right before sending the email, I follow the link as part of my final editing process, to "get the reader's experience." Every single time, I get to the wiki main page, and my eye immediately gravitates to the headline "What is this?" and I begin reading a section that is just a teeny-bit too "jump right in to the technical bits." I think that the sentence that is currently above the quote-banner, "Geohashing is a method for finding an effectively random location nearby and visiting it, i.e. a Spontaneous Adventure Generator" would serve better as the opening sentence to the "What Is This" section.

In my proposal, the front page layout would be changed from:

Main Page

Welcome to the Geohashing Community Wiki. Geohashing is a method for finding an effectively random location nearby and visiting it, i.e. a Spontaneous Adventure Generator. Geohashing was brought to you by the xkcd webcomic.

(Random Quote)

What is this?

Every day, the algorithm generates a new set of coordinates... [etc.]

to:

Main Page

Welcome to the Geohashing Community Wiki. Geohashing was brought to you by the xkcd webcomic.

(Random Quote)

What is this?

Geohashing is a method for finding an effectively random location nearby and visiting it, i.e. a Spontaneous Adventure Generator. Every day, the algorithm generates a new set of coordinates... [etc.]

The next time I'm struck by this oddity, I'll check back and, if there are no objections, I'll make the change. edit: forgot to sign: Ted 17:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I've struggled a little with this as well. Support --Wenslayer 17:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad someone else is thinking about the new user. This never struck me, but now that I read it, yeah support. -Robyn 17:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Support definitely. I would also scratch "Community" and "i.e.". Juventas 05:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. I think it's much more approachable, now. Thanks for the support. Ted 06:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Damn does that ever look better. Thank you, Ted. -Robyn 06:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Juventas' Server Configuration Wishlist

Allow uploading of kml/kmz files. Small, harmless, big potential.

My guess is that the kml file could be interpreted as HTML by the browser, allowing malicious code to be interpreted? We've had this before, can't be bothered searching atm. Will update later. --joannac 06:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Interpreted as XML. Another user who was also interested in this looked into it and figured it was safe. I'm not a XML security expert. Juventas 07:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Right. So now you have to convince the admin :) --joannac 07:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Under "My Preferences" > "Watchlist" > "Add pages I...", enable as default. Most of the time I ask a question on a new image talk page, I get no response.

Not doable by me. Also unlikely to be done - users should have to sign up for email spam, not get it by default. --joannac 06:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

That would require "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed" to be enabled. I thought this was disabled by default. Juventas 07:01, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

It is disabled by default. I don't see the point of making this change then. --joannac 07:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Under "My Preferences" > "Search" > enable all as default. The search is useless without it. I experienced much frustration with this as a new user looking for information.

I agree, but see further down. --joannac 06:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Install the CAPTCHA thing so the leaders of this wiki can use their time for better things.

Also agree, see further down. --joannac 06:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Address the recent intermittent performance problems. I'm guessing we're getting a free ride, but I'd like to hear options.

The wiki/fora is maxing out the CPUs on the server. The sysad is deciding whether to move to a new server, add more boxes, etc. This means that backend changes will be put on hold until he decides. --joannac 06:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

...other things I'm forgetting, feel free to jump in.

Thanks to all those who have written bots to manage so many other things. Juventas 06:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

That's all server-side and IMO all worthy. For the captcha issue, you can weigh in here. -Robyn 06:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's a stop gap measure. Change/improve anything. -Robyn 08:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Offer of hosting

Hello, I'm davidc, geocacher, geohasher. You've doubtless met me on IRC already. Recently the wiki seems really slow - in fact today it was so bad, it was giving MySQL errors about concurrent transactions.

I'd like to offer my assistance. I own Sargasso Networks (www.sargasso.net, I won't link it here) and I have a couple of quad xeon servers dedicated to what I call "community hosting", aka "things I'm interested in and want to support". I would be very happy to host the wiki so it's off the xkcd forum server and has sufficient CPU power and bandwidth. We're a professional ISP with quality bandwidth etc, no Cogent etc blah.

As an aside, I also just registered www.geohashing.org and www.geohashing.org/[whatever] now redirects to wiki.xkcd.org/geohashing/[whatever]. This would provide an easy migration path if you want to move it to another server (since the same redirect can be set up in the reverse direction).

Let me know here, on my talk page, or on IRC. --davidc 22:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Support -- thanks for offering, davidc! --Wenslayer 23:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

That's a big offer. Afaik, we generally have only voted on things involving wiki editing. I would think something like a server move would be entirely up to the administrators. My primary concerns would be whether the new hosting would have substantially better performance, and what would happen in the long term (say if davidc was unable/unwilling to continue). Juventas 01:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's up to the admins (who I'm not sure I've met or even know about, except joannac). From previous mediawiki installations on our network, I'm sure the new servers are up to the task (each server is 4xXeon-E5430 2.66Ghz, 4GB, RAID1+0 SATA, Gig-E uplinks to our 10-GE backbone) - a trial can be arranged easily enough anyway if desired. As far as long-term, I understand that's always a concern but let me say we've hosted things like Freenode since 2000, and my personal priority is always to ensure continuity, even though we haven't really used Freenode in the last 4-5 years. (As with other arrangements, staff would be given access to our NOC helpdesk). Let me say now also that my desire isn't control or anything, but simply to improve the performce for myself and others. I wouldn't request to be a wiki admin: the existing admins would have full ssh access to the wiki account. --Davidc 01:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So, why is it slow lately? Is the server being bogged down by NWoodruff's giant image files? (Yes, I'm kidding.) Seriously, it seems likely to me that the current issues are solvable. It's not as though geohashing has become immensely more popular in the last few months.

Either way, the generous offer is much appreciated. --starbird 03:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Geohashing may not have been, but bear in mind the server is shared with other things like the xkcd forums. --Davidc 22:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Individual graticule pages seem to be particularly slow to load, compared to other things. Perhaps some of the transcluded stuff like maps and coordinates require complicated server operations? The really annoying thing is that the slowness continues even when you return to such a page with the browser back button; apparently, caching is suppressed. Dtobias 14:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

If this particularily affects graticule pages using the so called "quick links" template, it's a known fact that those quick links actually are very slow links. Try removing them from the page. --Ekorren 14:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

libwww-perl/5.828

Some bot is running against this wiki, with that user-agent. Anyone running a bot with that user-agent? It's running amok (300k+ hits per day) and apparently is the cause of the recent slow-down. --Davidc 01:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it is some windows virus. It is now hitting our servers at our company. I don't think it has anything to do with a Geohasher or Geohashbot. --NWoodruff 12:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that's the default user agent string when you access Web pages via Perl scripts using a standard library for this purpose. Dtobias 13:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

removing "Community portal" inclusion.

Would anyone object if I remove the inclusion of the site Geo_Hashing:Community_Portal at the end of Main Page? I think it contains a lot of information that does not need to be necessarily on the Main Page, adding to the bulk. -- relet 10:29, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

DNO - Danatar 12:59, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. --davidc 10:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Can we provide a landing place for people who have seen a marker in the wild?

My thought is this: i often leave a marker at a geohashing spot, usually with some sort of link to the wiki. I think it would be really cool if we could have a big callout box along the lines of: "Have you seen a geohashing marker? Let us know here!" and take them to a page where we can let them enter details of what they've seen and where. It would be great for us as geohashers to know that our efforts have been noticed, and we could help the visitors find out more about who left the marker. -- sermoa 12:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Inspired by my own idea, i put a callout box on today's expedition, taking people to the talk page where i explained how to add a comment. It worked - Talk:2009-09-27 50 -1 - we got a response! :) -- sermoa 00:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Following our discussion at the hashpoint, I have created Template:Advert and ~~Template:AdvertTalk~~. You can see them on our expedition and talk pages. I think I might tweak the text just a little though now. --davidc 10:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

No need to use Template:AdvertTalk any more. Just use Template:Advert on both the expedition page and on its talk page, and it auto-detects which it's being used on. --davidc 23:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Create a page which can be linked to easily as (for instance) www.geohashing.org/marker or www.geohashing.org/I found a marker. This could then be a general landing point advertised on hash markers. This page could have a brief description of hashing, an list of areas the marker might have been (or link to Geo_Hashing:Current_events#Recent Expeditions and it's list of recent hashes) where people could find out about the particular expedition the marker relates to (if there is no direct link), and explain how to add comments. There's other stuff that could be added I guess, as long as we don't overwhelm people. --mykaDragonBlue [- i have no sig -] 23:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea! Shouldn't be too hard to swing that, just a crash course on the sport. You could use a lot of the same information the Ambassador letters contain, if you wanted to have a template to work off of. --Oracle989 02:49 UTC 2009-10-12

Geo Hashing talk:Community Portal

It appears that the convention is to put general discussion on this page, so I'm moving the two discussion points from Geo Hashing talk:Community Portal to this page, and leaving a message suggesting people write here instead. The next two entries were moved from that page. --davidc 23:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Main page image URL

I noticed that the URL on the picture shown on the main page is (accidentally, I assume) wrong - this address sends you to the Boston graticule map instead of the wiki's main page. Maybe someone with access outside of the wiki could change the redirection so it sends you to the wiki instead? And/or we could swap the picture for one with the wiki address, there should be enough of them to choose from. --Ekorren 19:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

That's a kind of common mistake. I assume that the map has existed before the wiki did. Therefore xkcd.com/geohashing and www.xkcd.com/geohashing redirect to the map - wiki.xkcd.com/geohashing is the only valid wiki address. I also think that it would be a good idea to have the redirect changed. -- Relet 20:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Translation in French

Hi everyone, french-speaking Belgian geohasher here!

I'd love to help you translating the wiki into Molière's language. I'm not officially an interpreter, but my french is almost perfect (I actually say that just to pretend I am humble, but it IS in fact perfect), and I am good enough with computers to help, even if I'm not used to working with wikis.

Anyway, if you think I can help, please tell me so on my page (See? See? I'm playing with links!)

If you're not sure I'm a dedicated geohasher, you should know that even if I've been geohashing only once so far, I've already posted a nude picture of my formidable, hatted self. That should be enough for anyone I guess.

I should be able to proof-read content-wise. I speak fluently, but I am not a native speaker. And I support translations. -- relet 11:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

So, what should I translate, and how? If someone could give me the links, I could work on it soon. pierre 13:49, 7 July 2009 (GMT+1)